[Plone-UI] how to fix "Not obvious how to edit/publish folder when it has a default page"?

Mon Sep 30 14:38:42 UTC 2013

correct, it's not updated. Maybe poke Rok about updating it.

On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:

> On 30/09/2013, at 10:59 AM, Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us> wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure we can do a single widget for all our browser.
> >
> > FWIW, I've finished quite a bit of work on a new folder contents
> implementation. Take a look at mockup master.
>
> is there a quick way to see that online?
>
> I'm guessing http://plone.github.io/mockup/dev/ hasn't been updated yet?
>
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:
> > BTW, when we started working on what is now the new relateditems widget
> at last conference, the idea was for it to be a universal widget that could
> be used to replace the contents browser. It didn't turn out that way so
> far. To do that it would have to support actions like cut, copy etc and be
> able to select all, to just keep up with what the current folder contents
> does.
> > Also, if we follow my suggestions as per below it might need multiple
> ways of viewing it such as tree view.
> > I'd like to know opinions about if its wise to create a single widget
> for all our browsing? ie on the toolbar the top right "contents" button
> becomes a search box that when clicked on opens a content browser.
> >
> >
> > Dylan Jay
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > On 30/09/2013, at 10:40 AM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What does everyone think of keeping default pages the same but perhaps
> creating a better content browser?
> > > There were plans to improve contents button in toolbar anyway and I
> know there exists lots of plugins.
> > > What I'm thinking is something would allow you to see a site as a tree
> if it's a small site, as well as the traditional jump in and out of folders.
> > > And perhaps when a default page is shown, it's shown attached to the
> folder instead of just bolded and still in the folder contents.
> > > Also there could be an action in the content browser to directly
> attach an item to folder instead of just doing this via the display menu.
> > > Also if it let you jump around the site and move content around. So it
> felt more like assigning content to urls. Instead of all this navigating
> around the site to get things done.
> > >
> > > I'm also thinking that during editing or adding of content, all types
> have a location/url field so you can get the idea of what url the content
> will have, and change your mind if you want and put it somewhere else
> without having to save and then move.
> > >
> > > What I'm thinking is that all of these things added up would more
> quickly give new users the idea of folders being how urls are constructed
> and also default pages.
> > > Also it would make moving content around the site a lot more fun :)
> > >
> > > Don't be shy about contributing to this discussion. I'd love to be
> able to take a concrete idea to the conference sprint in a few days.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dylan Jay
> > >
> > > ---
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 26/09/2013, at 11:34 AM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> On 26/09/2013, at 11:54 PM, Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I wonder if we should plip disabling the Folder content type by
> default and making all other types folders.
> > >>>
> > >>> Or is it conceptually difficult for people to understand they can
> add a page inside of a page?
> > >>
> > >> It's not so much that. I think it while it makes somethings easier,
> it makes others harder.
> > >> Like what if you want a portlet page or collection as your front
> page? Do you have to move your subitems into your new "default page"/folder
> and then replace the old page/folder?
> > >> Also, how do you have your breadcrumbs/nav with one title and your
> page with another?
> > >>
> > >> maybe default pages are not that bad, we just need another UI.
> Something that lets you create a navigation structure and drag and drop
> content where you want it in some kind of more direct way?
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Nathan Van Gheem <
> nathan at vangheem.us> wrote:
> > >>> quick thought, in plone 5, I don't know if we had everyone sold on
> making all types folderish. Right now, all types are NOT folderish in plone
> 5:
> https://github.com/plone/plone.app.contenttypes/blob/master/plone/app/contenttypes/content.py
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com>
> wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I'll be leading a UX sprint after the upcoming conference. In
> addition to the current initiatives (toolbar, widgets and a new theme) I'd
> like to see if can come up with some ideas to fix some of the top problems
> from our UX hit-list.
> > >>>
> > >>> #1 for editors is "Not obvious how to edit/publish folder when it
> has a default page"
> > >>>
> > >>> This also seems related to
> > >>> #3 "idea of default page is not obvious"
> > >>> #19 "not obvious how to change url"
> > >>> #24 "Navigation being tied to folder structure isn't obvious"
> > >>>
> > >>> and to a lesser extent #7 "Not obvious display menu changes item +
> no way to preview"
> > >>>
> > >>> I'd like to get as many ideas from anyone thats interested on how
> they think this could be solved. I'll take these to sprint and see what we
> come up with.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ideas?
> > >>>
> > >>> For context I believe in plone5 with the new dexterity content types
> all items will be folderish. I don't think the change means folders gain a
> rich text body field. It does mean that default pages become potentially
> more confusing since where does clicking "contents" take you to on a
> default page? the contents of the folder or the default page?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Dylan Jay
> > >>>
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> > >>>
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> > >>> Nathan Van Gheem
> > >>> Solutions Architect
> > >>> Wildcard Corp
> > >>>
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> > >>> --
> > >>> Nathan Van Gheem
> > >>> Solutions Architect
> > >>> Wildcard Corp
> > >>
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