[Plone-UI] how to fix "Not obvious how to edit/publish folder when it has a default page"?

Dylan Jay djay at pretaweb.com
Thu Sep 26 14:34:50 UTC 2013


On 26/09/2013, at 11:54 PM, Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us> wrote:

> I wonder if we should plip disabling the Folder content type by default and making all other types folders.
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> Or is it conceptually difficult for people to understand they can add a page inside of a page?

It's not so much that. I think it while it makes somethings easier, it makes others harder.
Like what if you want a portlet page or collection as your front page? Do you have to move your subitems into your new "default page"/folder and then replace the old page/folder?
Also, how do you have your breadcrumbs/nav with one title and your page with another?

maybe default pages are not that bad, we just need another UI. Something that lets you create a navigation structure and drag and drop content where you want it in some kind of more direct way?

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> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us> wrote:
> quick thought, in plone 5, I don't know if we had everyone sold on making all types folderish. Right now, all types are NOT folderish in plone 5: https://github.com/plone/plone.app.contenttypes/blob/master/plone/app/contenttypes/content.py
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> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:
> Hi,
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> I'll be leading a UX sprint after the upcoming conference. In addition to the current initiatives (toolbar, widgets and a new theme) I'd like to see if can come up with some ideas to fix some of the top problems from our UX hit-list.
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> #1 for editors is "Not obvious how to edit/publish folder when it has a default page"
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> This also seems related to
> #3 "idea of default page is not obvious"
> #19 "not obvious how to change url"
> #24 "Navigation being tied to folder structure isn't obvious"
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> and to a lesser extent #7 "Not obvious display menu changes item + no way to preview"
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> I'd like to get as many ideas from anyone thats interested on how they think this could be solved. I'll take these to sprint and see what we come up with.
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> Ideas?
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> For context I believe in plone5 with the new dexterity content types all items will be folderish. I don't think the change means folders gain a rich text body field. It does mean that default pages become potentially more confusing since where does clicking "contents" take you to on a default page? the contents of the folder or the default page?
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