[Plone-UI] Plone 5 theme status
Dylan Jay
djay at pretaweb.com
Sat Oct 19 21:16:37 UTC 2013
On 19/10/2013, at 12:34 PM, Guido Stevens <guido.stevens at cosent.net> wrote:
Ah, great stuff! Thanks to everybody who's been working on this.
Re: no jbot. I understand, but: could be very handy as an intermediate
step. That would give you the list of templates that need to change, + fast
iteration optimizing those changes without impacting the rest of core +
after that a well defined transition (PLIP?) moving the changed templates
into the rest of core and removing jbot from the theme.
Ramon, I think the above was the intention on Thijs work with jbot. To
allow a new html base to be tested before the underlying templates get
changed. Have you looked at Thijs HTML to see what he did?
As to bootstrap or not I've head mixed reviews of bootstrap 3 but its not
really my area of expertise. Most important is really nice underlying pre
diazo html or else we don't change it at all and keep 100% compatible.
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On 19 okt. 2013, at 12:28, Ramon Navarro Bosch <ramon.nb at gmail.com> wrote:
Hey,
We've talk with Dylan on Plone Conference Sprint. There are two keypoints
that affects the plone 5 theme.
* Widgets/toolbar. Would be great to do it when toolbar is merged on plone
5 so the theme is designed to be used using toolbar. But it's not really
blocking, the actual design can be implemented.
* Main_template. I'm nearly finishing a proof of concept on plone5
main_template that changes some of the staff on diazo rules ( not too much
to it can be bbb ).
Besides this two points the design is there and it's a matter of creating
some static pages to implements it's css and js with bootstrap 3 and
plone.app.widgets. This theme should not use jbot so if we need to modify
any base template on plone we need to think about it in order to don't
break too much bbb. Some templates (like portlets with dt or status
messages) needs to be rethought in order to be more close to div's style on
current css frameworks. That meens that we should create a list of
templates that we actually have (frontend templates) and redo some of them.
Plone theme design
------------------
- css_plone.png (CSS graphic specifications)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/56145196/css_plone.png
- theme_home.png (public home simulation)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/56145196/theme_home.png
- theme_public_page.png (public page simulation)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/56145196/theme_public_page.png
- theme_public_foto.png (public photo gallery simulation)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/56145196/theme_public_foto.png
- theme_editor.png (page with plone app toolbar)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/56145196/theme_editor.png
- theme_editor_add.png (page with popup edit contents)
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/56145196/theme_editor_add.png
All this staff is a huge task and in my opinion should be pointed to be
done at some sprint where a group of people only work on this subject. The
main idea would be to have a working version of toolbar + widgets so we can
do it.
We can also apply a normal diazo theme for plone 5 core-dev but I would
really avoid doing work that needs to be drop in a short term.
Ramon
2013/10/18 Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us>
> I wouldn't be against going down the bootsrap path with bootswatch at this
> point. It'd mean a lot of things would be done for us and we don't have to
> maintain the theme as much potentially.
>
> That being said, Ramon, others, what is the current status of the new
> theme?
>
> Plone core at this point really needs a diazo based theme.
>
> I heard that maybe a mockup was done during the conference sprints? Where
> is that? Could we get someone to create the diazo rules for that? Or merge
> that into Thijs' work?
>
> Just a little poke here. Let me know know if I can help coordinate any of
> these efforts.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Nathan
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 6:17 PM, Guido Stevens <guido.stevens at cosent.net>wrote:
>
>> I may be off the mark here, but I'd love the Plone theming story to be
>> like: grab any Bootswatch theme you like, drop it into static and off you
>> go adding your own customizations.
>>
>> That would imply using the bootstrap3 responsive grid, which supports
>> content reordering. And it would require a base markup + rules.xml
>> combination that results in a well-themed site.
>>
>> If we're talking about having a mainstream theming story where frontend
>> theming can be completely agnostic of Plone specifics, why not go for
>> Bootstrap?
>> --
>> Guido Stevens | +31.43.3618933 | http://cosent.nl
>>
>> s o c i a l k n o w l e d g e t e c h n o l o g y
>>
>>
>> On 1 okt. 2013, at 09:12, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:
>>
>> Are you sure?
>> It would be good if possible to use something well supporting. We have a
>> long history in plone in picking less popular texhinologies and then
>> regretting it later as they are pulled out abs replaced. Perhaps it is
>> better to pick something popular that might grow the features you want in
>> the future?
>>
>> Dylan Jay
>> Technical solution manager
>> PretaWeb 99552830
>>
>> On 01/10/2013, at 9:04 AM, Thijs Jonkman <t.jonkman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Ramon Navarro Bosch <ramon.nb at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have some doubts about it,
>>>>
>>> don't have doubts until you know why we made those decisions :)
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> * It's using jbot ( and if it's plone core default theme shouldn't be
>>>> like that in my opinion ).
>>>>
>>> We know, those will get merged in when it's ready. Easier than making
>>> branches of 10 different packages.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> * It's using deco-gs grid ?
>>>>
>>> Is it? Thijs did mention he really liked deco-gs. We'd be open to
>>> changes.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, still using deco gs for now. All the other lightweight grid system
>> I've seen do not have content reordering capabilities, which I think it
>> should have. There are more complex grid systems that do have it, but in a
>> lightweight theme I thought deco more fitting.
>>
>>
>>> * Where is the mockup of the theme ?
>>>>
>>> https://github.com/collective/uiteam has the original UI concept.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> R
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/10/1 Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us>
>>>>
>>>>> We're actually looking for someone to take up the lead of that project
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have someone that's interested in helping but probably can't lead it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Current work is: https://github.com/plone/diazotheme.coolblue
>>>>>
>>>>> We're going to make everything less so we need to convert all those
>>>>> sass styles to less.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Ramon Navarro Bosch <
>>>>> ramon.nb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to know which is the status of plone 5 theme on diazo. I
>>>>>> remember that long time ago we discussed about OOCSS and LESS/SASS and
>>>>>> there were some mockups about the design. Is there any repository, place
>>>>>> were I can take a look at it ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> R
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Wildcard Corp
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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