[Plone-UI] Folderish Page Proposal

[Nathan Van Gheem]

So starting this discussion back up, I don't like the idea of adding a
display tab to the page type and getting rid of the collection type--I
thinking solving a problem by creating another less bad problem.

However, I really do like the idea of getting rid of default pages and
having everything folderish.

I'm inclined to say we push plone 5 with the current set of features we've
already agreed on and then in plone 6, we move everything folders, get rid
of collections and have a deco layout editor.

If we just let the deco layout engine be applied to any type, it would also
solve the default page issue.


-Nathan


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Nathan Van Gheem <nathan at vangheem.us> wrote:

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> On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Johannes Raggam <raggam-nl at adm.at> wrote:
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>> I like the idea to have everything folderish and to get rid of the
>> "Default View" mechanism.
>>
>> For my projects I always use folderish types because I see a lot of
>> advantages in it. For Archetypes based sites I use
>> collective.folderishtypes.
>>
>> In my experience, this has these usability downsides:
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>> - The folderish types don't show their contents in their view (I solved
>> that with a viewlet or portlet on folderish types).
>>
> Make the new folder contents much more useful and encouraging people to
> use it more should should help this.
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>> - After adding a folderish type, one lands in it's detail view and
>> immediately adding another item adds it into the content created before.
>> That's not what you'd expect if you're in a hurry and doing lot's of
>> editing. (Can be solved by redirection after creation to the parent
>> folder)
>>
> Everyone should take a look at the new folder contents in the mockup
> project. There is an add menu there that creates the content while keeping
> you in the folder contents view for these types of situations where you
> want to add a lot of content at once to build your site quickly.
>
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>> Like Martin, I dislike mixing the Collection functionality into a
>> Über-Page. To clients I always explain the Collection type as something
>> as a Search-Folder and I - from a user-perspective - wouldn't expect
>> that functionality in a "Display" fieldset. A collection can still be
>> folderish too.
>>
>> I'm unsure on getting rid of the "Display" menu. While moving it into
>> the editing fieldsets could be a chance to allow users to also add an
>> optional content listing of their folderish content, the current menu
>> placement makes a lot of sense to me.
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>> Johannes
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Nathan Van Gheem
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