[Plone-UI] Placeless Adding help needed

[Jon Stahl]

Dylan-

You know, I've had this use case and very successfully solved it with
just a simple content rule to "move all items of type X to WHERE THEY
BELONG."  Users can create those content types anywhere, but then
poof, they magically go to the place they're supposed to be as soon as
they hit save.

:Jon


On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 5:12 PM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You might remember awhile back I talked about "Placeless Adding". Since then
> I have submitted it as PLIP and it was rejected on the grounds that the
> implementation wasn't accepted. Despite this, I believe that this issue is
> still something that needs to be addressed in Plone and I thought that it
> would be good to go back to the beginning and with the collective UX wisdom
> on this list, come up with a more acceptable solution to this problem.
>
> Plone's UI for adding content for types that live in a specific location
> have some complexities which can be a frustration for users. Namely, users
> need to have special knowledge of where that content should be placed and in
> creating that content it requires many clicks to navigate to that section of
> the site and add the content. Wordpress sites prove to be far easier in this
> regard because the "blog post" type is immediately available on the front
> page though an "add post" button and represents 99% of the content adding
> content use cases.
>
> In some larger sites the problem becomes far worse. Particularly where you
> have a front page composed of multiple content sources and types drawn from
> different parts of the site managed by different people. This was the case
> for one of our clients who operated one of the largest Plone sites in the
> world - we were not the implementers of this site but just giving support,
> however, they have recently decided to switch to another CMS for a variety
> of reasons. One of those reasons we can identify is that for content editors
> it had become complex to train and operate place sensitive content buried 3
> or 4 levels deep. This situation needs lots of navigation clicks to jump
> between those sections of the site making the experience rather frustrating.
> Most users only had edit access to these specific sections.
>
> As someone pointed out earlier, even in the initial Plone install we have an
> events folder and a news folder. You need to learn to go there to add those
> kinds of content. This seems natural to us but the concept of where you add
> something matters a lot, we have to teach every time to new users. Instead
> this could be simplified so that News only goes to the news folder and
> events only go the events folder and we had a way to make it easy to add
> either of those from anywhere. This should, I believe, make for a simpler
> experience and a more gentle introduction when coming from a different CMS.
>
> Do you agree?
>
> If so, whats the best UX to implement this?
>
>
>
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