[Plone-UI] PLIP 12227: In-Plone Theme Editor

Martin Aspeli optilude+lists at gmail.com
Sat Jun 16 21:44:34 UTC 2012


I've digested the survey results a bit more and captured suggested actions here:


Could you please review and tell me if they capture your thoughts and
whether you'd like to add anything? I'd still really value mockups (or
HTML/TAL changes!) for improvements.

Great job on the surveys and feedback again, by the way. Especially
survey #3 was incredibly valuable (i.e. it was very specific), but all
contained very helpful information. We should do much more of this
kind of thing.


On 16 June 2012 10:01, Martin Aspeli <optilude+lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Thanks for this - really glad to see so much detail! I'm really
> impressed you did this much research and it's incredibly valuable.
> Thank you!
> I see some specific feedback, so let me ask some follow-ups:
> 1. The organization of the Tabs could use more work
> Which 'tabs' are we talking about?
> 2. The “Theme Mapper” layout needs to be minimized in windows and
> maximized in available space to work in.
> Can you be a bit more specific about this?
> 3. Some of the Function buttons create confusion (placement, icons, and labels)
> Which buttons, specifically?
> 4. Issues with Ajax behavior and bugs contributed to less than ideal
> interaction experience
> That's a shame - could you clarify which bugs you've found?
> 5. The grouping and steps for functions/tasks could be streamlined
> Can you be more specific?
> 6. The first panel view on launch needs work to help a user get
> started: better and more plainly instructive defaults; re-thought to
> map to users’ main goals.
> So, on all of these, I can guess at what the specific issues may have
> been, but I feel what we need to take this forward is a set of
> actionable suggestions, e.g. as annotated wireframes or screen
> composites. Some of this is in the detailed feedback in each survey
> (Thanks!), but I am not sure how to translate those into actual
> changes without it feeling a bit like trial-and-error.
> We tried to get some mockups once - Denys had a go at unifying the two
> tabs. I tried to implement that, and whilst some of the specific ideas
> were actionable, the overall approach did not work in practice (see
> detailed notes on the PLIP ticket in Trac).
> If, as you suggest, you (or someone else) can try to come up with
> specific ideas that someone can then translate to real Plone
> code/templates, we can get somewhere, I think. I'm just not really
> skilled enough on the UI front to read the feedback above and then go
> "aha, so it needs to work like *this*".
> Are you willing to try to do that (as indeed you suggested in the
> feedback)? I think that'd be incredibly valuable.
> Martin
> On 14 June 2012 21:29, Tseng-Planas, Alice <atseng at it.ucla.edu> wrote:
>> Hi Martin, Eric and All,
>> As promised, here's some initial feedback from our workgroup on the
>> Plone.App.Theming product and the Theme Mapper.
>> I'm attaching a zip file with a summary of our discussion and some
>> detailed surveys that 4 members filled out who were new
>> to the Mapper.
>> Overall -- I'd say that there are 2 types of folks in our group
>> (experienced with Plone) and (experienced with Web but new to Plone).
>> Those who were new to Plone tended to want to use the combo method --
>> actually using the theme-mapper to build a theme and learn Plone's
>> structure. Those who already knew Plone wanted to just import and make
>> direct changes in the html/css file structure.
>> Everyone wanted the Theme-Mapper's interface to work better/be better laid
>> out in order to use it more as a tool (for the combo method) to build
>> themes (not just an inspector).
>> Hope this helps.
>> Cheers,
>> Alice
>> On 5/12/12 1:18 PM, "Martin Aspeli" <optilude+lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Martin Aspeli wrote
>>>>> Feedback and support,especially with CSS and/or graphics as well as
>>>>> mock-ups or functional suggestions and hands-on testing, would be
>>>>> appreciated.
>>>> Our workgroup meets once a week with 4 dedicated members + 4 more that
>>>> participate when they can. Perhaps we can begin with a first-impression
>>>> gloss of the new build? Many of us a coming to this with very fresh eyes
>>>> maybe that's the most helpful at this point. I'll talk to the group this
>>>> week -- let us know if there are specific areas of the project you're
>>>> interested in getting feedback for.
>>>That'd be great!
>>>Initial impressions are very valuable. Let's start there.
>>>One thing I'm keen to understand is whether designers (and/or
>>>evaluators) would consider building a theme entirely inside Plone
>>>(using a combination of the file manager and the theme mapper) or if
>>>it's always going to be about filesystem import.

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