[Plone-UI] PLIP 12227: In-Plone Theme Editor
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Sat Jun 16 09:01:29 UTC 2012
Thanks for this - really glad to see so much detail! I'm really
impressed you did this much research and it's incredibly valuable.
I see some specific feedback, so let me ask some follow-ups:
1. The organization of the Tabs could use more work
Which 'tabs' are we talking about?
2. The “Theme Mapper” layout needs to be minimized in windows and
maximized in available space to work in.
Can you be a bit more specific about this?
3. Some of the Function buttons create confusion (placement, icons, and labels)
Which buttons, specifically?
4. Issues with Ajax behavior and bugs contributed to less than ideal
That's a shame - could you clarify which bugs you've found?
5. The grouping and steps for functions/tasks could be streamlined
Can you be more specific?
6. The first panel view on launch needs work to help a user get
started: better and more plainly instructive defaults; re-thought to
map to users’ main goals.
So, on all of these, I can guess at what the specific issues may have
been, but I feel what we need to take this forward is a set of
actionable suggestions, e.g. as annotated wireframes or screen
composites. Some of this is in the detailed feedback in each survey
(Thanks!), but I am not sure how to translate those into actual
changes without it feeling a bit like trial-and-error.
We tried to get some mockups once - Denys had a go at unifying the two
tabs. I tried to implement that, and whilst some of the specific ideas
were actionable, the overall approach did not work in practice (see
detailed notes on the PLIP ticket in Trac).
If, as you suggest, you (or someone else) can try to come up with
specific ideas that someone can then translate to real Plone
code/templates, we can get somewhere, I think. I'm just not really
skilled enough on the UI front to read the feedback above and then go
"aha, so it needs to work like *this*".
Are you willing to try to do that (as indeed you suggested in the
feedback)? I think that'd be incredibly valuable.
On 14 June 2012 21:29, Tseng-Planas, Alice <atseng at it.ucla.edu> wrote:
> Hi Martin, Eric and All,
> As promised, here's some initial feedback from our workgroup on the
> Plone.App.Theming product and the Theme Mapper.
> I'm attaching a zip file with a summary of our discussion and some
> detailed surveys that 4 members filled out who were new
> to the Mapper.
> Overall -- I'd say that there are 2 types of folks in our group
> (experienced with Plone) and (experienced with Web but new to Plone).
> Those who were new to Plone tended to want to use the combo method --
> actually using the theme-mapper to build a theme and learn Plone's
> structure. Those who already knew Plone wanted to just import and make
> direct changes in the html/css file structure.
> Everyone wanted the Theme-Mapper's interface to work better/be better laid
> out in order to use it more as a tool (for the combo method) to build
> themes (not just an inspector).
> Hope this helps.
> On 5/12/12 1:18 PM, "Martin Aspeli" <optilude+lists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Martin Aspeli wrote
>>>> Feedback and support,especially with CSS and/or graphics as well as
>>>> mock-ups or functional suggestions and hands-on testing, would be
>>> Our workgroup meets once a week with 4 dedicated members + 4 more that
>>> participate when they can. Perhaps we can begin with a first-impression
>>> gloss of the new build? Many of us a coming to this with very fresh eyes
>>> maybe that's the most helpful at this point. I'll talk to the group this
>>> week -- let us know if there are specific areas of the project you're
>>> interested in getting feedback for.
>>That'd be great!
>>Initial impressions are very valuable. Let's start there.
>>One thing I'm keen to understand is whether designers (and/or
>>evaluators) would consider building a theme entirely inside Plone
>>(using a combination of the file manager and the theme mapper) or if
>>it's always going to be about filesystem import.
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