[Plone-UI] Developing themes with collective.skinny

[Tim Knapp]

On Tue, 2009-05-05 at 09:23 +0200, Espen Moe-Nilssen wrote:
> I havent tried this product yet, so maybe this is a stupid question:
> 
> 
> 1) A page that uses collective.skinny shows/loads much faster than a
> "normal page"
> 2) If 1) is the case, is there any way to "port" an existing theme or
> is it "buildt from bottom up"?
> 
Needs to be built from the ground up unfortunately but if you've got the
standard html/css from a graphics designer its as easy as copying and
pasting it in. I created a collective.skinny-based theme this way in
under half a day. I know others have had similar experiences.

Thanks,
Tim
> 
> 
> Den 4. mai. 2009 kl. 23.57 skrev Tim Knapp:
> 
> > Hi Daniel,
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks a lot for the clarification on this. I actually worked out
> > the
> > fact that I can use any 'stuff' in the acquisition chain after I
> > sent
> > this email (bit dense I guess ;). I had also gathered things need to
> > go
> > through the 'main.Main' view class but thanks a lot for the
> > clarification on the 'render_content' attribute, very helpful. (As
> > discussed on #plone) I've developed a couple of fairly involved
> > collective.skinny themes now and will post a message to the mailing
> > list/my blog when they're live as well as my 'war stories' :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Here's some interesting figures from ab for a collective.skinny
> > theme VS
> > a standard plone site:
> > 
> > 
> > Standard Plone:
> > Requests per second:    3.27 [#/sec] (mean)
> > 
> > 
> > collective.skinny theme (with some heavy customisation):
> > Requests per second:    7.46 [#/sec] (mean)
> > 
> > 
> > Another collective.skinny theme (simple brochureware site):
> > Requests per second:    12.23 [#/sec] (mean)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks again for an excellent package!
> > 
> > 
> > -Tim
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 21:28 +0100, Daniel Nouri wrote:
> > > We talked a bit about this on IRC.  Let me answer to this thread,
> > > too.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Tim Knapp <duffyd at kokorice.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Further questions re. developing themes with collective.skinny:
> > > > It seems to me that you can't override cmf templates via
> > > > collective.skinny?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I've had to do quite a bit of workarounds to get simple things
> > > > like
> > > > 'search', 'navigation', 'sitemap' going. I think in the main
> > > > things like
> > > > this should really work OOTB otherwise you end up fighting
> > > > against the
> > > > 'framework' too much :(
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You should be able to register views and call them just fine.  For
> > > your view class, you'll want to inherit from the Main class and
> > > set a
> > > page template as the "render_content" attribute.  Therein, you can
> > > render whatever template you want to see in the "content area" of
> > > your
> > > skin, like a search widget.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The way I use Skinny is for skins that don't have anything in
> > > common
> > > with the Plone interface.  The Plone UI is what we call the
> > > editing
> > > interface.  That is, we have a custom public view for all our
> > > content
> > > types, and we also implement search by ourselves -- just because
> > > it
> > > works very different to the search in the editing interface.
> > > Despite
> > > that, there's nothing that keeps you from using macros out of
> > > Plone
> > > templates in Skinny -- but maybe they'll need a bit more context;
> > > like
> > > provided by @@plone's globalize.  You can also use Plone's full
> > > API,
> > > like the queryCatalog script.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > fRiSi and I want to split collective.skinny into a library package
> > > and
> > > an example package, the latter will have example implementations
> > > for
> > > the most common things like search and sitemap, as well as the
> > > demo
> > > skin that's now in Skinny itself.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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