[Plone-UI] [hello world] and [idea]wire theme

Augusto Camarotti augustoccl at gmail.com
Thu Sep 25 00:32:53 UTC 2008

I guess Martin is right. The right way to do it would be setting a bunch of
empty css in the skin/templates that would form the structure of a basic
plone site. Not to difficult to do, U could strip the originals CSS shipped
in plone and let only the structural settings.


On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:17 PM, Martin Stadler <martin at siarp.de> wrote:

> Am 23.09.2008 um 07:15 schrieb Silvestre Marcelo Huens:
>  Hi people:
>> My name is Silvestre Huens (aka Quimera), I work with plone since
>> almost 2 years now, (the major part in skinning).
>> I'm looking for feedback of the community about and idea (wire theme)...
>> for me, skinning a theme is something enjoyable, (not at the beginning
>> :P) , and i'm searching a way to improve the speed of the task, from
>> there come the idea of make a "wire theme".
>> Plone by default carries a considerable amount of CSS code. Most of it
>> is intended to provide the style for the Plone default theme.
>> The typical approach when developing custom themes have been to
>> overwrite the default styles.
>> This approach carries one problem (or maybe more):
>> it generates redundant code that is anyway served to the browser
>> (default code + overwriting code). Even for visually simple
>> designs, the amount of overwriting needed is exceedingly high.
>> The other approach is to reset or disable all default Plone styles;
>> the amount of work resetting all the elements is prohibitive; Plone
>> also has many elements that surface only under certain conditions, and
>> the testing needed to ensure all style is in place would be far longer
>> than the normal time for a skin development.
>> the "wire theme":
>> a CSS structure that lays out only the typical and/or most used styles.
>> This CSS structure would provide a simple, clean base for customized
>> skin development, as it would take in charge of the most common used
>> styles needed, but allowing a free theme development from there. No
>> overwritings should be needed, or at least in no such extension as
>> with the current default Plone CSS.
>> This base CSS would be, well, basic. No colors, no specific visuals
>> just the basics, "the wires". All needed for a site look like a site,
>> but not like a Plone theme!
>> this foundation could improve skin development efficiency by avoiding
>> unnecessary overwriting of the code, and providing a more useful base
>> for visually similar elements, instead of having several style
>> declarations with the same or almost same styles.
>> what are your thoughts about the idea?
>> Is it worth it to invest time?
>> Regards...
>> Q.
>> --
>> www.menttes.com
> How about setting up a paster template with the features youre talking
> about? This would be a great base for theme development while leaving the
> Plone experience for non-developers just as it is today.
> Martin
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