[Roadmap] Fwd: Egg -> face

Jon Stahl jonstahl at gmail.com
Mon Mar 5 15:16:46 UTC 2012

Thanks, a few thoughts coming soon.  Now is a great time to read/think about/comment on Martin's roadmap draft (hint hint!).


On Mar 5, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jon, seems you're in :)
> On 5 March 2012 13:28, Calvin Hendryx-Parker <calvin at sixfeetup.com> wrote:
>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>> Since we're doing precisely nothing, I'm trying to recruit Jon to help
>>> us with some coordination and communication.
>> +1 for some action
>>> Jon also usually has good ideas about what's good for Plone,
>>> functionality-wise, so I think it may just make sense to consider him
>>> a full member of the team.
>> +1
>>> If anyone objects, speak now, or forever hold your peace. :)
>>> Assuming no-one does, Calvin, can you add "Jon Stahl"
>>> <jonstahl at gmail.com> to the mailing list?
>> Added Jon to the list.
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com>
>>> Date: 1 March 2012 18:49
>>> Subject: Re: Egg -> face
>>> To: Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com>
>>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29 February 2012 17:53, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 29 February 2012 16:44, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> How frustrating. :-(  Perhaps it might be wise to try to organize a
>>>>>>> conference call so folks can rally + recommit in real-time?
>>>>>> It's what we did, until people stopped scheduling calls. There is a
>>>>>> leadership vacuum.
>>>>> Aha. Obviously I have not been privvy to the whole process-thus-far.
>>>>> (And I've not actually gotten a full briefing from David Glick over a
>>>>> pint, sounds like that should be on my to-do list.)
>>>> It's pretty much just been a few conference calls, plus a meeting in
>>>> San Francisco.
>>>>>>>  I don't
>>>>>>> think people are ill-intentioned here, I think this is just one of
>>>>>>> those "important" things that is taking a backseat to the "urgent."
>>>>>>> Failing that, maybe a more radical step would be to release what you
>>>>>>> have to the community as a "discussion draft" and see if that creates
>>>>>>> pressure for action?
>>>>>> I don't suppose I could convince you to join the team as Chief Cat
>>>>>> Herder to try to make things like that happen? It just feels very
>>>>>> contrary to the goals of the team for me to write and then release
>>>>>> that document virtually unilaterally.
>>>>> Yeah, I agree.  It's not a preferred option.
>>>>> I'd be happy to do what I can.  Sounds like that might be to schedule
>>>>> a call and try to put some framing questions together?
>>>> I think so. Calls are not great for me, due to baby duties, but I'll
>>>> do what I can.
>>>>> Sounds like I should also get an update from you on the
>>>>> process-thus-far.  The document you shared with me--you wrote it
>>>>> mostly by yourself, right?  Has it gotten any input or feedback from
>>>>> the rest of the team?  If so, can you give me a brief summary of that?
>>>> I wrote it. A few people reviewed briefly, but not in any great detail
>>>> apart from you. It was all done as Google docs comments.
>>> Ok, thanks, this is helpful.  How about you add me to the Roadmap Team
>>> email list, then I'll send an email to folks saying, "Hey, Martin
>>> asked me to drop in and try to prod us into action, etc etc." and
>>> basically propose some next steps (see below).
>>> If you have your hands full (literally, I understand!), then perhaps
>>> we can just try to generate some framing questions via email.  I think
>>> your current draft is extremely well written, very clear, concise and
>>> well-structured.  (That may be part of why there's been not so much
>>> feedback.)   Are there specific questions we should ask of the Roadmap
>>> Team at this point?  Other than the obvious "what works for you, what
>>> if anything do you disagree with, what can be improved, what is
>>> missing?"
>>> One random question: have you reviewed Laurence's post last year at
>>> http://shuttlethread.com/blog/plone-roadmap for ideas?
>>> Also, I think we should attempt to bring some documentation ambitions
>>> within the scope of the roadmap team's plan.  I think that's important
>>> signaling. :-)
>>> :jon
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