[Roadmap] Fwd: Egg -> face

Martin Aspeli optilude at gmail.com
Mon Mar 5 13:59:40 UTC 2012

Jon, seems you're in :)

On 5 March 2012 13:28, Calvin Hendryx-Parker <calvin at sixfeetup.com> wrote:
> On Mar 5, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> Since we're doing precisely nothing, I'm trying to recruit Jon to help
>> us with some coordination and communication.
> +1 for some action
>> Jon also usually has good ideas about what's good for Plone,
>> functionality-wise, so I think it may just make sense to consider him
>> a full member of the team.
> +1
>> If anyone objects, speak now, or forever hold your peace. :)
>> Assuming no-one does, Calvin, can you add "Jon Stahl"
>> <jonstahl at gmail.com> to the mailing list?
> Added Jon to the list.
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com>
>> Date: 1 March 2012 18:49
>> Subject: Re: Egg -> face
>> To: Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com>
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 29 February 2012 17:53, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 29 February 2012 16:44, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> How frustrating. :-(  Perhaps it might be wise to try to organize a
>>>>>> conference call so folks can rally + recommit in real-time?
>>>>> It's what we did, until people stopped scheduling calls. There is a
>>>>> leadership vacuum.
>>>> Aha. Obviously I have not been privvy to the whole process-thus-far.
>>>> (And I've not actually gotten a full briefing from David Glick over a
>>>> pint, sounds like that should be on my to-do list.)
>>> It's pretty much just been a few conference calls, plus a meeting in
>>> San Francisco.
>>>>>>  I don't
>>>>>> think people are ill-intentioned here, I think this is just one of
>>>>>> those "important" things that is taking a backseat to the "urgent."
>>>>>> Failing that, maybe a more radical step would be to release what you
>>>>>> have to the community as a "discussion draft" and see if that creates
>>>>>> pressure for action?
>>>>> I don't suppose I could convince you to join the team as Chief Cat
>>>>> Herder to try to make things like that happen? It just feels very
>>>>> contrary to the goals of the team for me to write and then release
>>>>> that document virtually unilaterally.
>>>> Yeah, I agree.  It's not a preferred option.
>>>> I'd be happy to do what I can.  Sounds like that might be to schedule
>>>> a call and try to put some framing questions together?
>>> I think so. Calls are not great for me, due to baby duties, but I'll
>>> do what I can.
>>>> Sounds like I should also get an update from you on the
>>>> process-thus-far.  The document you shared with me--you wrote it
>>>> mostly by yourself, right?  Has it gotten any input or feedback from
>>>> the rest of the team?  If so, can you give me a brief summary of that?
>>> I wrote it. A few people reviewed briefly, but not in any great detail
>>> apart from you. It was all done as Google docs comments.
>> Ok, thanks, this is helpful.  How about you add me to the Roadmap Team
>> email list, then I'll send an email to folks saying, "Hey, Martin
>> asked me to drop in and try to prod us into action, etc etc." and
>> basically propose some next steps (see below).
>> If you have your hands full (literally, I understand!), then perhaps
>> we can just try to generate some framing questions via email.  I think
>> your current draft is extremely well written, very clear, concise and
>> well-structured.  (That may be part of why there's been not so much
>> feedback.)   Are there specific questions we should ask of the Roadmap
>> Team at this point?  Other than the obvious "what works for you, what
>> if anything do you disagree with, what can be improved, what is
>> missing?"
>> One random question: have you reviewed Laurence's post last year at
>> http://shuttlethread.com/blog/plone-roadmap for ideas?
>> Also, I think we should attempt to bring some documentation ambitions
>> within the scope of the roadmap team's plan.  I think that's important
>> signaling. :-)
>> :jon
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