[Roadmap] Fwd: Egg -> face

Calvin Hendryx-Parker calvin at sixfeetup.com
Mon Mar 5 13:28:53 UTC 2012

On Mar 5, 2012, at 4:05 AM, Martin Aspeli wrote:

> Hi folks,
> Since we're doing precisely nothing, I'm trying to recruit Jon to help
> us with some coordination and communication.

+1 for some action

> Jon also usually has good ideas about what's good for Plone,
> functionality-wise, so I think it may just make sense to consider him
> a full member of the team.


> If anyone objects, speak now, or forever hold your peace. :)
> Assuming no-one does, Calvin, can you add "Jon Stahl"
> <jonstahl at gmail.com> to the mailing list?

Added Jon to the list.

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com>
> Date: 1 March 2012 18:49
> Subject: Re: Egg -> face
> To: Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 29 February 2012 17:53, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29 February 2012 16:44, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> How frustrating. :-(  Perhaps it might be wise to try to organize a
>>>>> conference call so folks can rally + recommit in real-time?
>>>> It's what we did, until people stopped scheduling calls. There is a
>>>> leadership vacuum.
>>> Aha. Obviously I have not been privvy to the whole process-thus-far.
>>> (And I've not actually gotten a full briefing from David Glick over a
>>> pint, sounds like that should be on my to-do list.)
>> It's pretty much just been a few conference calls, plus a meeting in
>> San Francisco.
>>>>>  I don't
>>>>> think people are ill-intentioned here, I think this is just one of
>>>>> those "important" things that is taking a backseat to the "urgent."
>>>>> Failing that, maybe a more radical step would be to release what you
>>>>> have to the community as a "discussion draft" and see if that creates
>>>>> pressure for action?
>>>> I don't suppose I could convince you to join the team as Chief Cat
>>>> Herder to try to make things like that happen? It just feels very
>>>> contrary to the goals of the team for me to write and then release
>>>> that document virtually unilaterally.
>>> Yeah, I agree.  It's not a preferred option.
>>> I'd be happy to do what I can.  Sounds like that might be to schedule
>>> a call and try to put some framing questions together?
>> I think so. Calls are not great for me, due to baby duties, but I'll
>> do what I can.
>>> Sounds like I should also get an update from you on the
>>> process-thus-far.  The document you shared with me--you wrote it
>>> mostly by yourself, right?  Has it gotten any input or feedback from
>>> the rest of the team?  If so, can you give me a brief summary of that?
>> I wrote it. A few people reviewed briefly, but not in any great detail
>> apart from you. It was all done as Google docs comments.
> Ok, thanks, this is helpful.  How about you add me to the Roadmap Team
> email list, then I'll send an email to folks saying, "Hey, Martin
> asked me to drop in and try to prod us into action, etc etc." and
> basically propose some next steps (see below).
> If you have your hands full (literally, I understand!), then perhaps
> we can just try to generate some framing questions via email.  I think
> your current draft is extremely well written, very clear, concise and
> well-structured.  (That may be part of why there's been not so much
> feedback.)   Are there specific questions we should ask of the Roadmap
> Team at this point?  Other than the obvious "what works for you, what
> if anything do you disagree with, what can be improved, what is
> missing?"
> One random question: have you reviewed Laurence's post last year at
> http://shuttlethread.com/blog/plone-roadmap for ideas?
> Also, I think we should attempt to bring some documentation ambitions
> within the scope of the roadmap team's plan.  I think that's important
> signaling. :-)
> :jon
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