[Roadmap] Fwd: Egg -> face

Martin Aspeli optilude at gmail.com
Mon Mar 5 09:05:01 UTC 2012

Hi folks,

Since we're doing precisely nothing, I'm trying to recruit Jon to help
us with some coordination and communication.

Jon also usually has good ideas about what's good for Plone,
functionality-wise, so I think it may just make sense to consider him
a full member of the team.

If anyone objects, speak now, or forever hold your peace. :)

Assuming no-one does, Calvin, can you add "Jon Stahl"
<jonstahl at gmail.com> to the mailing list?


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com>
Date: 1 March 2012 18:49
Subject: Re: Egg -> face
To: Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com>

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 29 February 2012 17:53, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Martin Aspeli <optilude at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 29 February 2012 16:44, Jon Stahl <jonstahl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> How frustrating. :-(  Perhaps it might be wise to try to organize a
>>>> conference call so folks can rally + recommit in real-time?
>>> It's what we did, until people stopped scheduling calls. There is a
>>> leadership vacuum.
>> Aha. Obviously I have not been privvy to the whole process-thus-far.
>> (And I've not actually gotten a full briefing from David Glick over a
>> pint, sounds like that should be on my to-do list.)
> It's pretty much just been a few conference calls, plus a meeting in
> San Francisco.
>>>> I don't
>>>> think people are ill-intentioned here, I think this is just one of
>>>> those "important" things that is taking a backseat to the "urgent."
>>>> Failing that, maybe a more radical step would be to release what you
>>>> have to the community as a "discussion draft" and see if that creates
>>>> pressure for action?
>>> I don't suppose I could convince you to join the team as Chief Cat
>>> Herder to try to make things like that happen? It just feels very
>>> contrary to the goals of the team for me to write and then release
>>> that document virtually unilaterally.
>> Yeah, I agree.  It's not a preferred option.
>> I'd be happy to do what I can.  Sounds like that might be to schedule
>> a call and try to put some framing questions together?
> I think so. Calls are not great for me, due to baby duties, but I'll
> do what I can.
>> Sounds like I should also get an update from you on the
>> process-thus-far.  The document you shared with me--you wrote it
>> mostly by yourself, right?  Has it gotten any input or feedback from
>> the rest of the team?  If so, can you give me a brief summary of that?
> I wrote it. A few people reviewed briefly, but not in any great detail
> apart from you. It was all done as Google docs comments.

Ok, thanks, this is helpful.  How about you add me to the Roadmap Team
email list, then I'll send an email to folks saying, "Hey, Martin
asked me to drop in and try to prod us into action, etc etc." and
basically propose some next steps (see below).

If you have your hands full (literally, I understand!), then perhaps
we can just try to generate some framing questions via email.  I think
your current draft is extremely well written, very clear, concise and
well-structured.  (That may be part of why there's been not so much
feedback.)   Are there specific questions we should ask of the Roadmap
Team at this point?  Other than the obvious "what works for you, what
if anything do you disagree with, what can be improved, what is

One random question: have you reviewed Laurence's post last year at
http://shuttlethread.com/blog/plone-roadmap for ideas?

Also, I think we should attempt to bring some documentation ambitions
within the scope of the roadmap team's plan.  I think that's important
signaling. :-)


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