[Product-Developers] ANN: plone-devstart (please help test)

Martin Aspeli optilude+lists at gmail.com
Sun Mar 11 08:42:07 UTC 2012

On 11 March 2012 06:54, Érico Andrei <ericof at plone.org> wrote:

>  Hi,
>     First of all, it is a very good initiative. We need to lower the entry
> barrier to Plone development in order to attract new people.
>     But, even though something like plone-devstart is a good idea, I might
> ask if it was the right move or even if this is what we needed the most.
>     Last night while talking to Clayton and Liz about the whole
> ZopeSkel/Paster/Templer/Crushinator situation it became clear that the
> story for new developers is a complete mess.
>     There are good ideas, great developers and high expectations. There
> isn't a working solution. Some people jumped on Templer, most people still
> need to pin ZopeSkel <2.99 (damn local commands).
>     This is bad, and having a new shinny thing that "eases" Plone
> development just made the situation even worse -- as long as someone must
> use it and then <zopeskel create> & <paster addcontent>.
>     Time to kill most of the available options, focus on **just one** and
> have a compelling story to tell to newcomers.

I agree, though that's a different topic.

Please see the plone-devstart FAQ for the reasons why this *isn't* based on
ZopeSkel or one of its component parts. In short, the dev environment setup
needs to be as simple as possible if it is to try to deal with potentially
'broken' environments (e.g. no working setuptools).

The buildout created by plone-devstart installs a 'safe' ZopeSkel so that
you can use that to create new packages.

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