[Product-Developers] How attached to POI issue trackers are we?

Ross Patterson me at rpatterson.net
Fri Feb 10 05:21:18 UTC 2012

"T. Kim Nguyen" <nguyen at uwosh.edu> writes:

> I'm sure there would be wide support for allowing existing Poi on
> plone.org to continue being used, and not allowing new Poi to be
> created on plone.org.
> If Poi eventually are to be shut off entirely on plone.org then it
> would be good to have a moderately decent export / import mechanism; I
> have no idea if there is such a thing today, however.

Export/import is a great idea and I think you should do it!  :-)

But seriously, I'm just addressing the, IMO, erroneous conflation of a
community making smart decisions of where to put its energy with

I have more to say on the possibility of sunsetting Poi but since it's
not proposed, I'll wait.


> On Feb 9, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Ross Patterson wrote:
>> Andreas Jung <lists at zopyx.com> writes:
>>> Sorry guys but once again: you can not force a project to move to
>>> Github (sources and trackers) without explicit agreement of the
>>> package owner or current package maintainer - at least not
>>> for active packages where let's say the issue tracker is actively
>>> used (last activity happened within the last X months).
>> We can and should be smart about the software we commit ourselves to
>> maintain.  Our community time, energy and ingenuity is valuable and
>> should be focused on making a better CMS, not supporting and maintaining
>> a very old, and passable but not terribly good issue tracker.  Our
>> users' time, energy, and experience is also very valuable and should be
>> cared for when they report problems with or request features of the
>> add-ons they use.  It is not only appropriate, but important for all of
>> this to be taken into account when asking the kind of questions being
>> asked here.  It is also appropriate and important to be asking these
>> kinds of questions.
>> Ros
>>> Nathan Van Gheem wrote:
>>>> I wouldn't need them exported. We could just close them to new 
>>>> submissions for a period before completely shutting em down.
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:57 PM, Jon Stahl
>>>> <jonstahl at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:jonstahl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:41 PM, derek
>>>> <auspex at pointerstop.ca
>>>> <mailto:auspex at pointerstop.ca>> wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 8, 3:48 pm, Nathan Van Gheem
>>>>> <vangh... at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:vangh... at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> I still use them but would rather not. If you put a deprecation
>>>> date up,
>>>>>> it'd help force me to more more of my packages to github and
>>>> startup the
>>>>>> tracker there also.
>>>>>> +1 for github hosted. Very nice to have it coupled with the code
>>>> repo.
>>>>> Yeah, I've happily used POI for years, but I'll even more happily
>>>>> use github.  I have no attachment to POI (though I thank the
>>>>> authors for the use I've had).
>>>> Thanks, Derek and Nathan.   A follow-up, if I may... if POI trackers 
>>>> were gracefully deprecated, would you need to be able to get an
>>>> export of tickets or are there few enough that you could deal with
>>>> it manually?
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