[Product-Developers] Archetype/Dynamic URL?

[Aprilz]

Ok I may have been to quick to say that it is a proud community, I probably
just found the previous Plone consultant that came over laughable, who had a
"Plone can do everything!" mantra. Haha... Plus he encountered so many
problems, as if broken stuff and fixing a gazillion problems were all a
daily part working with of Plone! Made few of us newbies felt very worried.
Other than that, he's a nice guy like other plone people.

The manuals were confusing for us; the other newbies gave up.
I copied parts from existing products instead, all while not knowing what
they meant. But it kind of worked... So I'm relieved :) And that's a
positive thing.

I believe that basic products that allow you to add stuff into forms and
display the form data would have been easy and is covered extensively in the
manuals. But my task didn't need any forms...

But I still have a nagging feeling that putting so much html code into a
python class is wrong?
Like many many lines of: html += "<td id="xxx">"+something+"</td>"


David Bain-5 wrote:
> 
> Aprilz,
> It is evident that you found Plone difficult to approach, but you
> persisted
> enough to find a way around the issue. (I may have completely
> misunderstood
> what you're saying, so please feel free to correct me on that first
> statement). One of the goals of Plone 4 is to make it more approachable.
> We
> certainly wouldn't want persons to run away screaming for any of the
> reasons
> you have mentioned.
> 
> You mentioned:
> 1. speed (too slow)
> 2. too complex (things in too many places)
> 3. secretive and proud community (this hasn't been my experience, so I'm
> definitely surprised about that one)
> 4. The most prominent manual (Professional Plone Development) is not in
> depth enough (again, this hasn't been my experience, but I respect your
> perspective).
> 
> Hope I got that right.
> 
> Do you have suggestions from your experience as to what would make Plone
> more approachable for you?
> 
> Also, was there anything positive that you'd say was a valuable?
> 
> BTW, if I understand you correctly you eventually did most of the "work"
> in
> a python class, instead of leaking business logic into page templates, if
> this is correct, then you did the right thing.
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