[Product-Developers] Re: Where does it hurt?
gmane at dylanjay.com
Mon May 19 01:18:54 UTC 2008
Dylan Jay wrote:
> Martin Aspeli wrote:
>> Hi guys,
>> Following a long discussion with Dylan Jay (buried in another thread
>> on Devilstick terminology), I thought I'd conduct an informal poll.
>> ==> As a customiser of Plone, or as someone wanting to build bespoke
>> components that extend Plone, what do you find most confusing?
>> I think this could fall into a few categories:
>> - Areas where there's insufficient/poor documentation, but once you
>> learn how to do something, it's clear how to proceed.
>> - Areas where there appears to be more than one approach, and it's
>> not clear which one to choose
>> - Areas where Plone doesn't appear to have a good way to do something
> I think it hurts the most when something goes wrong. I write something
> that I think should work, it doesn't, suddenly I'm faced with understand
> everything I'm relying on.
> Debugging is a nightmare. Perhaps I'm not using the right tools. but
> generally I try to read the code, which with the amount of indirection
> these days is pretty hard to read. The fact thats its not obvious where
> the definition the code I'm after is makes it harder. For instance I was
> trying to find the schema definitions fot ATCT the other day... and
> thats just z2. Trying to work out how to the standard templates got
> connected in in plone.z3cform was even harder.
> I'm not 100% sure how to fix this. A tutorial on how to read code?
> The slow startup time makes this worse of course because one way to try
> and fix things is to try different stuff and see what happens.
another example from yesterday. I wanted to override the standard plone
search.pt form. I want to keep using browser views. When I typed /search
(without the @@) it would give me the old form, but if I did this in a
subfolder I get my new form.
So first thing I try to do is search the web. traversal precedence and
stuff like that. No luck.
Imagine you're learning this stuff. How do you know what to do next?
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