[Product-Developers] Re: Thoughts on championing OOTB themes

[Espen Moe-Nilssen]

Hi
something quick before I leave for the weekend.


I think we should consider that many people that will use the OOTB  
skins are newbes and need consistensy.
With that I mean that it can be a bit confusing if one skin has  
another name on the global-nav than the other.

Would it be possible to use deliverace (which I know almost nothing  
about) to convert skins to plone, and we could then go through them  
(manually) and clean up / fix?
Also, keep in mind that IE problems with deliverence might be a  
problem as we might end up getting "hacks on hacks".





Den 22. feb. 2008 kl. 02.00 skrev David Bain:

> Just dropping in an additional couple cents.
> Deliverance is easier (tm). It actually reduces the skinning learning
> curve, well almost eliminates it. but all the kinks aren't out of it
> yet.
>
> So for now let's get this OOTB thing going.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Tim Knapp <duffyd at kokorice.org>  
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 2008-02-21 at 14:00 -0800, vedaw wrote:
>>> Hey Paul,
>>>
>>> I'm all in favor of supporting Deliverance, I just don't want to  
>>> get bogged
>>> down in people having to learn how to use it just so that we can  
>>> get themes
>>> to ship with Plone. That said, if there's someone on the list who  
>>> would like
>>> to volunteer as a guinea pig on this, that's totally fine by me.
>>
>>  I'm happy to be a guinea pig :) I've actually already done some  
>> hacking
>>  around with Deliverance and in all honesty it isn't very  
>> difficult to
>>  use. Put it this way, a lot easier to use than learning Plone 3
>>  skinning :) Only issue is, AFAICT you've gotta be using plone in  
>> a wsgi
>>  pipeline and last I heard that isn't 100% supported on all plone  
>> 3.0.x
>>  releases at this stage (Plone + friends-eggification being one  
>> hurdle).
>>
>>  -Tim
>>
>>
>>>  Let me
>>> finish getting the OpenPlans site up so we can start laying down  
>>> some
>>> objectives. I'd love to include Deliverance as a side part of  
>>> this project.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul Everitt-3 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4) "Embrace Deliverance" was part of the *strategy* summit,  
>>>> which was
>>>> focused on longer-term, more substantial fixes.  Thus,  Veda's  
>>>> effort
>>>> (and this thread) are still useful for near-term attention.
>>>>
>>>> 4) David is right...if Deliverance is done right, then thousands of
>>>> themes should be immediately.
>>>>
>>>> 5) Tom's "barebones" skin is indeed an activity.  Tres and I  
>>>> started on
>>>> a "CMFXHTML" skin for CMF to explore ideas on this.  It's  
>>>> focused on
>>>> packing the maximum of semantics into the HTML and the minimum of
>>>> chrome/theme.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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