[Plone-AsiaPacific] Re: Blank Thai language PO files ADDED to svn

Takeshi Yamamoto tyam at mac.com
Sat Jan 24 14:52:19 UTC 2009

Hello Mung and Dylan,

Yes, a login account is required if you would like to upload po files  
by  yourself.
I don't think there is some additional procedure to get svn access if  
you can login to plone.org already.
Just drop an email to get the svn account as described in the  
Translation Guidelines you mentioned in your mail.

It might be safer to post the translated files to this i18n mailing  
list or to me rather than direct upload.
I will do the simple testing on my local Plone environment before I  
Since these mailing list has size limitation, I will send the ZIP file  
Send me an filled-out files directly, if you feel the testing before  
upload is too much work for you.


On Jan 24, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:

> Great, thanks Takeshi,
> Say hello to Mung, he's going to do the translation. I've just been  
> helping him get familar with the translation files and tools.
> Next step Mung is to install http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/
> and checkout those files from https://svn.plone.org/svn/collective/PloneTranslations/trunk/
> Takeshi: Mung is going to need a username right? Thats done by  
> creating a plone.org login and then raising a ticket or something?
> Here is a good guide to what needs to be done but note that Takeshi  
> has done the first part for you.
> http://dev.plone.org/plone/wiki/TranslationGuidelines
> On 24/01/2009, at 3:03 PM, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote:
>> I just added as base files for Thai language po files.
>> Now, you just need to svn checkout them for filling-out.
>> What I have done was:
>> - Clone from POT template file and renamed it with -th.po suffix.
>> - Changed a couple of definition entries of each files as follows.
>> "Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8\n"
>> "Language-Code: th\n"
>> "Language-Name: Thai\n"
>> "Preferred-Encodings: utf-8\n"
>> - Saved it with UTF-8 encoding and LF-only line separator.
>> Translator might need to check/update Plural Forms entry.
>> =====================================================
>> mb1:PloneTranslations retsu$ svn commit -m 'Thai po files added'
>> Adding         i18n/atcontenttypes-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/atreferencebrowserwidget-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/cmfeditions-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/cmfplacefulworkflow-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/kupu/kupu-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/kupu/kupuconfig-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/kupu/kupupox-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/linguaplone-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/passwordresettool-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/plone-th.po
>> Adding         i18n/plonelanguagetool-th.po
>> Transmitting file data ...........
>> Committed revision 79556.
>> Cheers.
>> Takeshi
>> On Dec 29, 2008, at 10:17 AM, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote:
>>> Sounds fantastic!
>>> Please look at "Information for Translators" on the following page.
>>> http://plone.org/development/teams/i18n/index_html
>>> Tools are available from following sites.  poedit is the choice  
>>> for Windows and Mac users.
>>> http://kbabel.kde.org/
>>> http://www.poedit.net/
>>> Also, we might need to prepare initial empty "-th.po" files to be  
>>> filled out.  It's too much work for him.
>>> Event hough there is a lot of documentation, he might have no idea  
>>> how the real work is.
>>> Also, he might need to understand a lot of Plone jargons quickly.
>>> It's my pleasure to support him especially when he does the first  
>>> try.
>>> I am glad to help him to make it via
>>> - email
>>> - irc chat
>>> - skype voice chat
>>> Takeshi Yamamoto
>>> On Dec 29, 2008, at 8:55 AM, Dylan Jay wrote:
>>>> I have someone who has agreed to do the translation for thai.  
>>>> He's my
>>>> girlfriends brother and he's about to start a master in IT so it  
>>>> would look
>>>> good on his resume.
>>>> Is there any special process other than just creating a new .po  
>>>> file and
>>>> putting in the phrases?
>>>> Dylan Jay
>>>> Technical Solutions Manager, Pretaweb.com
>>>> Skype:dylan_jay P:+61.2.99552830
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: plone-asiapacific-bounces at lists.plone.org [mailto:plone-asiapacific-
>>>>> bounces at lists.plone.org] On Behalf Of Takeshi Yamamoto
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 25 December 2008 1:33 PM
>>>>> To: Weisglass Ofer
>>>>> Cc: plone-asiapacific at lists.plone.org; plone-i18n at lists.sourceforge.net
>>>>> Subject: [Plone-AsiaPacific] Re: [Plone-i18n] Plone 3.1.7 PO files
>>>>> QuickSurvey Result
>>>>> Hi Ofer,
>>>>> Thanks for your suggestion.  It's shameful that I didn't aware  
>>>>> these
>>>>> pages.
>>>>> Checking by pro translator could be one of the way to make it  
>>>>> done.
>>>>> But I think "sustainability" is also important.  If there is a  
>>>>> sponsor
>>>>> to pay money due to his own purpose,
>>>>> it will be no problem.  When English POT file upgraded, he/she  
>>>>> might
>>>>> be willing to support to upgrade
>>>>> their local PO file.  Once that PO file got filled up, followers  
>>>>> might
>>>>> show up and maintain it.
>>>>> So, I think asking to professional translators who are not Plone  
>>>>> users
>>>>> is not sustainable.
>>>>> Another issue is the "quality of translation".  It might be  
>>>>> difficult
>>>>> to translate some Plone jargons without
>>>>> knowing Plone.  For example, content rules and collections are
>>>>> difficult concept without using them.
>>>>> It might be good if mostly same individuals continue to update  
>>>>> PO files.
>>>>> I don't think professional translators have Plone knowledge  
>>>>> usually.
>>>>> One more thing I want to see is "community expansion".  By
>>>>> participating their PO file creation and update,
>>>>> I expect several people will meet and collaborate regardless  
>>>>> online or
>>>>> offline.  They could be seeds of
>>>>> their local community.  Through the PO file initial translation  
>>>>> work
>>>>> and continuous update work, I want
>>>>> to see the local people gets involved in global community.  I  
>>>>> wish to
>>>>> see some of these people will organize
>>>>> WorldPloneDay locally, hold Plone meetings locally, start up Plone
>>>>> company locally, etc. someday in future.
>>>>> As you mentioned, the quality of translation is very important.   
>>>>> Plone
>>>>> is used in many big enterprises already here, too.
>>>>> We are brushing up quality of translation with various IT
>>>>> professionals who came to monthly local meetings or on  
>>>>> mailinglist.
>>>>> Many of them are not good at English but very good at IT  
>>>>> systems.  So,
>>>>> both language and systems knowledges
>>>>> need to be collaborated in depth.
>>>>> So, I would encourage to have voluntary based translators rather  
>>>>> than
>>>>> one-time professional translators.
>>>>> Also, looking for "sponsors" who has a good reason to improve the
>>>>> target PO files might be a good idea.
>>>>> PO file maintenance continues forever and needs continuous  
>>>>> improvement
>>>>> scheme.
>>>>> Best Regards and Happy Holidays!
>>>>> Takeshi Yamamoto
>>>>> On Dec 25, 2008, at 1:32 AM, Weisglass Ofer wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Takeshi,
>>>>>> This information was on Plone.org next to the translation team  
>>>>>> page
>>>>>> for long time
>>>>>> I also think a page about products translation is very  
>>>>>> important and
>>>>>> also how many documents (if any at all) are translated to this
>>>>>> language
>>>>>> Fighter with fry-it we also did a summery of the files and not
>>>>>> translated values and forwarded it to a professional translation
>>>>>> service company
>>>>>> I think this is very important step for Plone to have this  
>>>>>> updated
>>>>>> and files checked by pro translators and not just by anybody  
>>>>>> who did
>>>>>> a bit of translation
>>>>>> It will be few hounder dollars for each po file to fix and check
>>>>>> (all bugs and right translation)
>>>>>> Today Plone is been used by big name companies and better
>>>>>> translation both for the user interface and for the administrator
>>>>>> will help Plone a lot
>>>>>> If I will have a good feedback about this we can continue and  
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> donation in order to finish the files
>>>>>> One last issue - in some languages it is not only the translation
>>>>>> but also the interface bugs - (Like Right to left languages)
>>>>>> Please ask to report specific language bugs as well
>>>>>> Ofer Wiesglass
>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Takeshi Yamamoto <tyam at mac.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Let me update the quick survey result from Plone 3.1.7 regarding
>>>>>> PloneTranslations' PO files.
>>>>>> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pgA5RsCXykF6TE4QJ5eBCJg&hl=en
>>>>>> - Plone has 60 PO files
>>>>>> - 28 PO files have more than 80% filled out.
>>>>>> - 18 PO files have 30%-80% filled out.
>>>>>> - 10 PO files have less than 30% filled out.
>>>>>> -   4 PO files could not be determined their percentage with  
>>>>>> i18ndude.
>>>>>> I just found Thai language's PO file is missing.
>>>>>> Since Thailand have 50 millions population, it might be worth  
>>>>>> to have.
>>>>>> Does anyone know someone who could make this filled out?
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