[Plone-AsiaPacific] Help to improve text search for East-Asialanguages

Tim Knapp timk at pretaweb.com
Thu Nov 13 10:07:35 UTC 2008


On Thu, 2008-11-13 at 10:05 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote:
> Hi,
> Will it be possible to in include inda. We have made implementations
> of plone since plone ver 0.9. We do plone bootstraping events every
> quarter. Hence we will be able to add additional details to this page.
> My plone.org login is  sree

Done.

Thanks,
Tim

> 
> Regards,
> - sree
> 
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:00 AM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com> wrote:
>         I was the one who hacked together whats there now at
>         
>         http://plone.org/countries/asia-pacific
>         
>         I think 4 of us have access now. I say go in and change it and
>         if we want to
>         add something else then we'll do that. That way things get
>         done faster :)
>         
>         A second issue that Virginia pointed out is that there are 3
>         places we need
>         to be on Plone.org
>         
>         http://plone.org/support/region
>         
>         and
>         
>         http://plone.org/support/local-user-groups
>         
>         I'm not sure if the new Plone.org reorg makes this any less
>         confusing but
>         for the moment we need to each of those pages I think. Anyone
>         know who to
>         call?
>         
>         
>         Dylan Jay
>         Technical Solutions Manager, Pretaweb.com
>         Skype:dylan_jay P:+61.2.99552830
>         
>         > -----Original Message-----
>         > From: plone-asiapacific-bounces at lists.plone.org
>         [mailto:plone-asiapacific-
>         > bounces at lists.plone.org] On Behalf Of Takeshi Yamamoto
>         > Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 3:22 AM
>         > To: tim at emergetec.com
>         > Cc: plone-asiapacific at lists.plone.org
>         > Subject: Re: [Plone-AsiaPacific] Help to improve text search
>         for East-
>         > Asialanguages
>         >
>         > Thank you very much, Tim.
>         >
>         > my account is "tyam" on plone.org.
>         >
>         > I might be better to post the draft to this mailing list
>         before
>         > changing the page, though.
>         >
>         > Regards.
>         > Takseshi Yamamoto
>         >
>         > On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Tim Knapp - Emerge Technology
>         wrote:
>         >
>         > > Hi Takeshi,
>         > >
>         > > Thanks a lot for your comments below and I completely
>         agree with all
>         > > your points.
>         > >
>         > > Can you tell me your username on plone.org so I can give
>         you Manager
>         > > rights to the Asia-Pacific page?
>         > >
>         > > Thanks,
>         > > Tim
>         > >
>         > > On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 00:35 +0900, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote:
>         > >> Hello Xavier,
>         > >>
>         > >> Thank you for supporting Asia Pacific region.  Glad to
>         hear from
>         > >> you.  :)
>         > >> I agree that the web page might need to be updated from
>         the current
>         > >> kick-off status.
>         > >> We have to sort it out soon after WPD.
>         > >>
>         > >> To consider objectives and strategies, let me give you my
>         thought on
>         > >> AsiaPacific issue.
>         > >>
>         > >> <BACKGROUND>
>         > >> Asia pacific region involves language, cultural and
>         political
>         > >> diversity.
>         > >> Most Asian countries use non-English languages except
>         Australia, NZ,
>         > >> Philippine, Singapore.
>         > >> So, most of people there may not speak nor read English
>         at all, like
>         > >> Japan.
>         > >> Wide range of poverty and wealth, country by country,
>         people by
>         > >> people
>         > >> within a country.
>         > >> Many kind of currencies.  Huge currency value gap.
>         > >> Many factories are being built with foreign money.
>          Agricultural
>         > >> products exporter.
>         > >>
>         > >> <STRATEGY>
>         > >> If we say Asia-Pacific region, I think we should consider
>         wide range
>         > >> of Asia.
>         > >> Considering wider-range of Asia might give more value for
>         this group
>         > >> to be established.
>         > >> Different strategies from the one which was well worked
>         within well-
>         > >> developed countries.
>         > >> We are small.  No money and no time to invest, but can
>         make good
>         > >> ideas.
>         > >>
>         > >> I think following activities could be candidates:
>         > >>
>         > >> - Find out Asia-pacific specific requirements and
>         implement it in
>         > >> global manner.
>         > >>   So, make the Plone better to use for the people who
>         lives in Asia.
>         > >>   Text search improvement for East Asian languages is one
>         of this
>         > >> area.
>         > >>   Short name handling might be another headache, since OS
>         allows to
>         > >> use local language for file names.
>         > >>   These might be identified through the customer's
>         complain,
>         > >> developer's wishes, etc. in daily life.
>         > >>
>         > >> - Check the current status of translation files(.po) file
>         first.
>         > >> Improve it if not enough.
>         > >>   Which comes first, Egg or Chicken?  Without local
>         language
>         > >> interface, people does not use it.
>         > >>   When we found out the completeness of each Asian
>         languages,
>         > >>   let's find out foreign students or foreign workers who
>         came from
>         > >> these countries.
>         > >>   Convince them to work for free (freedom to use and
>         free-of-charge).
>         > >>   Verify and commit to Plone repository.  We need 2
>         person for each
>         > >> languages at least for QA.
>         > >>
>         > >> - Collaborate to promote Plone to multi-national clients,
>         when Asia-
>         > >> Pacific-wide or world-wide support is important.
>         > >>
>         > >> - Collaborate to promote Plone for government area.
>          ODA(official
>         > >> development assistance) is huge amount.
>         > >>
>         > >> Final goal is to spread Plone all over the Asia, of
>         course.  But
>         > >> approach might be different than the past.
>         > >> If the current way of approach works, these countries
>         should be
>         > >> filled
>         > >> out with Plone already and have more participation.
>         > >>
>         > >> I hope above issues could be a good start to discuss.
>         > >>
>         > >> Regards.
>         > >> Takeshi Yamamoto
>         > >>
>         > >> On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Xavier Heymans wrote:
>         > >>
>         > >>> Dear Takeshi,
>         > >>>
>         > >>> You are coming up with interesting issues. Based on
>         experiences
>         > >>> taking place in other regions of the world, a goal of
>         Plone Asia
>         > >>> Pacific is to become a central point were newcomers
>         could easily get
>         > >>> an overview of the activities and contacts in the
>         region.
>         > >>>
>         > >>> We have asked to get a page on Plone.org:
>         > >>> http://plone.org/countries/asia-pacific/
>         > >>>
>         > >>> This page doesn't aim to replace existing initiatives
>         but
>         > >>> provide an overwiev and raise their visibility. For
>         example solving
>         > >>> issues for East-Asia languages is a common requirement
>         for many
>         > >>> countries. It is the kind of issue that is worth to
>         highlight in
>         > >>> such a regional group.
>         > >>>
>         > >>> It could be interesting to include a page in:
>         > >>> http://plone.org/countries/asia-pacific/
>         > >>> This would provide an overview of what is being done,
>         were to get
>         > >>> the info, ... The content of your email is a very good
>         start for
>         > >>> this.
>         > >>>
>         > >>> I recently explained to Virginia and Tim how the Plone
>         Cono Sur
>         > >>> group (group focusing on Spanish speaking South America)
>         has
>         > >>> structured their information:
>         > >>> http://plone.org/countries/conosur
>         > >>> They will be working on an Asia Pacific version to start
>         with. This
>         > >>> will take some time, as they are both busy with the
>         Plone World Day.
>         > >>>
>         > >>> Regards,
>         > >>>
>         > >>> Xavier
>         > >>>
>         > >>>
>         > >>> On 05 Nov 2008, at 17:44, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote:
>         > >>>
>         > >>>> Help to improve text search for East-Asia languages
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Let me post the first initiative (requesting help in
>         other word)
>         > >>>> for Asia Pacific area.
>         > >>>> Some of you may know Japanese Plone community is
>         working on
>         > >>>> improving
>         > >>>> text search feature of plone for East Asian languages.
>          For
>         > >>>> example, Japanese
>         > >>>> words can not be distinguished by space, as well as
>         Chinese and
>         > >>>> Korean languages.
>         > >>>> Mr. Terada, CEO of CMSCOM has stood up and worked on
>         google summer
>         > >>>> of code
>         > >>>> as one of Plone foundation-supported project this year.
>         > >>>> Unfortunately, the student
>         > >>>> has gave up and it was not complete.  Terada-san has
>         decided to
>         > >>>> make it completed
>         > >>>> and started it again as his company's project.  Since
>         that feature
>         > >>>> is valuable for many
>         > >>>> people(1.5 billion people are living in Kanji region),
>         and it is
>         > >>>> open source, and
>         > >>>> we hope it could be built into out-of-the-box Plone,
>         Japanese
>         > >>>> community  is
>         > >>>> supporting this project.  We will have a sprint event
>         for this in
>         > >>>> the World Plone Day 2008 Tokyo.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> The software current status is BETA version and you can
>         download
>         > >>>> and try, or
>         > >>>> just access to the test and play with it.  We
>         appreciate any of
>         > >>>> your bug report
>         > >>>> or suggestions.  We do not have enough testers for
>         "non-Japanese"
>         > >>>> languages.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Languages what we would like to cover with that
>         bigramsplitter are:
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Japanese
>         > >>>> Mandarin Chinese (Beijing)
>         > >>>> Cantonese (Canton)
>         > >>>> Taiwanese (Taiwan)
>         > >>>> Korean (Korea)
>         > >>>> Mongolian (Mongol)
>         > >>>> Thai (Thailand)
>         > >>>> Vietnamese (Viet Nam)
>         > >>>> Jawi (Malaysia)
>         > >>>> Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesia)
>         > >>>> Hebrew (Israel)
>         > >>>> Arabic (Middle-East)
>         > >>>> etc.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> The languages which are not located in Asia, but
>         different from
>         > >>>> English/Latin
>         > >>>> languages are welcome, of course.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> The project site is here:
>         > >>>> http://code.google.com/p/bigramsplitter/
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> You can download the code from here:
>         > >>>> http://code.google.com/p/bigramsplitter/downloads/list
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> The test site is here to play with.
>         > >>>> http://c2search.cmscom.jp/
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> You may need an account to put some text to be searched
>         in your own
>         > >>>> language.
>         > >>>> Request your login account here.
>         > >>>> http://c2search.cmscom.jp/contact-info
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Sorry for the test site is not well internationalized,
>         but there is
>         > >>>> no problem if you
>         > >>>> write your request in English.
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> Thanks a lot in advance.
>         > >>>> Takeshi Yamamoto / retsu
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>> _______________________________________________
>         > >>>> Plone-AsiaPacific mailing list
>         > >>>> Plone-AsiaPacific at lists.plone.org
>         > >>>>
>         http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-asiapacific
>         > >>>>
>         > >>>
>         > >>
>         > >>
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> 
> -- 
> Thanks and Regards,
> - sree
> 
> Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
> Executive Director
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