[Plone-AsiaPacific] Help to improve text search for East-Asialanguages

Tue Nov 11 22:30:17 UTC 2008

I was the one who hacked together whats there now at 

http://plone.org/countries/asia-pacific

I think 4 of us have access now. I say go in and change it and if we want to
add something else then we'll do that. That way things get done faster :)

A second issue that Virginia pointed out is that there are 3 places we need
to be on Plone.org

http://plone.org/support/region

and

http://plone.org/support/local-user-groups

I'm not sure if the new Plone.org reorg makes this any less confusing but
for the moment we need to each of those pages I think. Anyone know who to
call?

Dylan Jay
Technical Solutions Manager, Pretaweb.com
Skype:dylan_jay P:+61.2.99552830

> -----Original Message-----
> From: plone-asiapacific-bounces at lists.plone.org [mailto:plone-asiapacific-
> bounces at lists.plone.org] On Behalf Of Takeshi Yamamoto
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 November 2008 3:22 AM
> To: tim at emergetec.com
> Cc: plone-asiapacific at lists.plone.org
> Subject: Re: [Plone-AsiaPacific] Help to improve text search for East-
> Asialanguages
> 
> Thank you very much, Tim.
> 
> my account is "tyam" on plone.org.
> 
> I might be better to post the draft to this mailing list before
> changing the page, though.
> 
> Regards.
> Takseshi Yamamoto
> 
> On Nov 11, 2008, at 5:00 AM, Tim Knapp - Emerge Technology wrote:
> 
> > Hi Takeshi,
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your comments below and I completely agree with all
> > your points.
> >
> > Can you tell me your username on plone.org so I can give you Manager
> > rights to the Asia-Pacific page?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tim
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-11-07 at 00:35 +0900, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote:
> >> Hello Xavier,
> >>
> >> Thank you for supporting Asia Pacific region.  Glad to hear from
> >> you.  :)
> >> I agree that the web page might need to be updated from the current
> >> kick-off status.
> >> We have to sort it out soon after WPD.
> >>
> >> To consider objectives and strategies, let me give you my thought on
> >> AsiaPacific issue.
> >>
> >> <BACKGROUND>
> >> Asia pacific region involves language, cultural and political
> >> diversity.
> >> Most Asian countries use non-English languages except Australia, NZ,
> >> Philippine, Singapore.
> >> So, most of people there may not speak nor read English at all, like
> >> Japan.
> >> Wide range of poverty and wealth, country by country, people by
> >> people
> >> within a country.
> >> Many kind of currencies.  Huge currency value gap.
> >> Many factories are being built with foreign money.  Agricultural
> >> products exporter.
> >>
> >> <STRATEGY>
> >> If we say Asia-Pacific region, I think we should consider wide range
> >> of Asia.
> >> Considering wider-range of Asia might give more value for this group
> >> to be established.
> >> Different strategies from the one which was well worked within well-
> >> developed countries.
> >> We are small.  No money and no time to invest, but can make good
> >> ideas.
> >>
> >> I think following activities could be candidates:
> >>
> >> - Find out Asia-pacific specific requirements and implement it in
> >> global manner.
> >>   So, make the Plone better to use for the people who lives in Asia.
> >>   Text search improvement for East Asian languages is one of this
> >> area.
> >>   Short name handling might be another headache, since OS allows to
> >> use local language for file names.
> >>   These might be identified through the customer's complain,
> >> developer's wishes, etc. in daily life.
> >>
> >> - Check the current status of translation files(.po) file first.
> >> Improve it if not enough.
> >>   Which comes first, Egg or Chicken?  Without local language
> >> interface, people does not use it.
> >>   When we found out the completeness of each Asian languages,
> >>   let's find out foreign students or foreign workers who came from
> >> these countries.
> >>   Convince them to work for free (freedom to use and free-of-charge).
> >>   Verify and commit to Plone repository.  We need 2 person for each
> >> languages at least for QA.
> >>
> >> - Collaborate to promote Plone to multi-national clients, when Asia-
> >> Pacific-wide or world-wide support is important.
> >>
> >> - Collaborate to promote Plone for government area.  ODA(official
> >> development assistance) is huge amount.
> >>
> >> Final goal is to spread Plone all over the Asia, of course.  But
> >> approach might be different than the past.
> >> If the current way of approach works, these countries should be
> >> filled
> >> out with Plone already and have more participation.
> >>
> >> I hope above issues could be a good start to discuss.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >> Takeshi Yamamoto
> >>
> >> On Nov 6, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Xavier Heymans wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Takeshi,
> >>>
> >>> You are coming up with interesting issues. Based on experiences
> >>> taking place in other regions of the world, a goal of Plone Asia
> >>> Pacific is to become a central point were newcomers could easily get
> >>> an overview of the activities and contacts in the region.
> >>>
> >>> We have asked to get a page on Plone.org:
> >>> http://plone.org/countries/asia-pacific/
> >>>
> >>> This page doesn't aim to replace existing initiatives but
> >>> provide an overwiev and raise their visibility. For example solving
> >>> issues for East-Asia languages is a common requirement for many
> >>> countries. It is the kind of issue that is worth to highlight in
> >>> such a regional group.
> >>>
> >>> It could be interesting to include a page in:
> >>> http://plone.org/countries/asia-pacific/
> >>> This would provide an overview of what is being done, were to get
> >>> the info, ... The content of your email is a very good start for
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> I recently explained to Virginia and Tim how the Plone Cono Sur
> >>> group (group focusing on Spanish speaking South America) has
> >>> structured their information:
> >>> http://plone.org/countries/conosur
> >>> They will be working on an Asia Pacific version to start with. This
> >>> will take some time, as they are both busy with the Plone World Day.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Xavier
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 05 Nov 2008, at 17:44, Takeshi Yamamoto wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Help to improve text search for East-Asia languages
> >>>>
> >>>> Let me post the first initiative (requesting help in other word)
> >>>> for Asia Pacific area.
> >>>> Some of you may know Japanese Plone community is working on
> >>>> improving
> >>>> text search feature of plone for East Asian languages.  For
> >>>> example, Japanese
> >>>> words can not be distinguished by space, as well as Chinese and
> >>>> Korean languages.
> >>>> Mr. Terada, CEO of CMSCOM has stood up and worked on google summer
> >>>> of code
> >>>> as one of Plone foundation-supported project this year.
> >>>> Unfortunately, the student
> >>>> has gave up and it was not complete.  Terada-san has decided to
> >>>> make it completed
> >>>> and started it again as his company's project.  Since that feature
> >>>> is valuable for many
> >>>> people(1.5 billion people are living in Kanji region), and it is
> >>>> open source, and
> >>>> we hope it could be built into out-of-the-box Plone, Japanese
> >>>> community  is
> >>>> supporting this project.  We will have a sprint event for this in
> >>>> the World Plone Day 2008 Tokyo.
> >>>>
> >>>> The software current status is BETA version and you can download
> >>>> and try, or
> >>>> just access to the test and play with it.  We appreciate any of
> >>>> your bug report
> >>>> or suggestions.  We do not have enough testers for "non-Japanese"
> >>>> languages.
> >>>>
> >>>> Languages what we would like to cover with that bigramsplitter are:
> >>>>
> >>>> Japanese
> >>>> Mandarin Chinese (Beijing)
> >>>> Cantonese (Canton)
> >>>> Taiwanese (Taiwan)
> >>>> Korean (Korea)
> >>>> Mongolian (Mongol)
> >>>> Thai (Thailand)
> >>>> Vietnamese (Viet Nam)
> >>>> Jawi (Malaysia)
> >>>> Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesia)
> >>>> Hebrew (Israel)
> >>>> Arabic (Middle-East)
> >>>> etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> The languages which are not located in Asia, but different from
> >>>> English/Latin
> >>>> languages are welcome, of course.
> >>>>
> >>>> The project site is here:
> >>>> http://code.google.com/p/bigramsplitter/
> >>>>
> >>>> You can download the code from here:
> >>>> http://code.google.com/p/bigramsplitter/downloads/list
> >>>>
> >>>> The test site is here to play with.
> >>>> http://c2search.cmscom.jp/
> >>>>
> >>>> You may need an account to put some text to be searched in your own
> >>>> language.
> >>>> Request your login account here.
> >>>> http://c2search.cmscom.jp/contact-info
> >>>>
> >>>> Sorry for the test site is not well internationalized, but there is
> >>>> no problem if you
> >>>> write your request in English.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance.
> >>>> Takeshi Yamamoto / retsu
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Plone-AsiaPacific mailing list
> >>>> Plone-AsiaPacific at lists.plone.org
> >>>> http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-asiapacific
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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