[Plone-AsiaPacific] Re: [Plone-i18n] Plone 3.1.7 PO files Quick Survey Result

Takeshi Yamamoto tyam at mac.com
Thu Dec 25 02:33:19 UTC 2008

Hi Ofer,

Thanks for your suggestion.  It's shameful that I didn't aware these  
Checking by pro translator could be one of the way to make it done.

But I think "sustainability" is also important.  If there is a sponsor  
to pay money due to his own purpose,
it will be no problem.  When English POT file upgraded, he/she might  
be willing to support to upgrade
their local PO file.  Once that PO file got filled up, followers might  
show up and maintain it.
So, I think asking to professional translators who are not Plone users  
is not sustainable.

Another issue is the "quality of translation".  It might be difficult  
to translate some Plone jargons without
knowing Plone.  For example, content rules and collections are  
difficult concept without using them.
It might be good if mostly same individuals continue to update PO files.
I don't think professional translators have Plone knowledge usually.

One more thing I want to see is "community expansion".  By  
participating their PO file creation and update,
I expect several people will meet and collaborate regardless online or  
offline.  They could be seeds of
their local community.  Through the PO file initial translation work  
and continuous update work, I want
to see the local people gets involved in global community.  I wish to  
see some of these people will organize
  WorldPloneDay locally, hold Plone meetings locally, start up Plone  
company locally, etc. someday in future.

As you mentioned, the quality of translation is very important.  Plone  
is used in many big enterprises already here, too.
We are brushing up quality of translation with various IT  
professionals who came to monthly local meetings or on mailinglist.
Many of them are not good at English but very good at IT systems.  So,  
both language and systems knowledges
need to be collaborated in depth.

So, I would encourage to have voluntary based translators rather than  
one-time professional translators.
Also, looking for "sponsors" who has a good reason to improve the  
target PO files might be a good idea.
PO file maintenance continues forever and needs continuous improvement  

Best Regards and Happy Holidays!
Takeshi Yamamoto

On Dec 25, 2008, at 1:32 AM, Weisglass Ofer wrote:

> Hi Takeshi,
> This information was on Plone.org next to the translation team page  
> for long time
> I also think a page about products translation is very important and  
> also how many documents (if any at all) are translated to this  
> language
> Fighter with fry-it we also did a summery of the files and not  
> translated values and forwarded it to a professional translation  
> service company
> I think this is very important step for Plone to have this updated  
> and files checked by pro translators and not just by anybody who did  
> a bit of translation
> It will be few hounder dollars for each po file to fix and check  
> (all bugs and right translation)
> Today Plone is been used by big name companies and better  
> translation both for the user interface and for the administrator  
> will help Plone a lot
> If I will have a good feedback about this we can continue and take  
> donation in order to finish the files
> One last issue - in some languages it is not only the translation  
> but also the interface bugs - (Like Right to left languages)
> Please ask to report specific language bugs as well
> Ofer Wiesglass
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:16 PM, Takeshi Yamamoto <tyam at mac.com>  
> wrote:
> Let me update the quick survey result from Plone 3.1.7 regarding
> PloneTranslations' PO files.
> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pgA5RsCXykF6TE4QJ5eBCJg&hl=en
> - Plone has 60 PO files
> - 28 PO files have more than 80% filled out.
> - 18 PO files have 30%-80% filled out.
> - 10 PO files have less than 30% filled out.
> -   4 PO files could not be determined their percentage with i18ndude.
> I just found Thai language's PO file is missing.
> Since Thailand have 50 millions population, it might be worth to have.
> Does anyone know someone who could make this filled out?
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