Google Checkout for NGOs announced

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Hi Alex,

On 30/09/2007, at 2:58 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:

> Have you tried raising these issues with them, especially now that  
> they are trying to court NGOs? I'm sure they are willing to listen.

Well who to raise it with exactly in order to get heard? Am happy to  
be put in contact with the right people though as people have noted  
there are broader structural issues related to the type of web YT et  
al are seeking to build. That said an improvement here may well spurn  
on other changes.

Let me know.

Cheers.
Andrew

>
> If you don't get any sensible answers, I'm happy to help with  
> locating the right people (and take it to Larry and Sergey if  
> necessary). I agree that these are serious issues.
>
> — Alexander
>
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:05:18 -0700, and <and at axxs.org> wrote:
>
>> It doesn't however seem that youtube have relaxed their highly  
>> dubious terms and conditions which basically allow them to do near  
>> anything with  your work.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/t/terms
>> "by submitting User Submissions to YouTube, you hereby grant  
>> YouTube a worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicenseable  
>> and transferable license to use, reproduce, distribute, prepare  
>> derivative works of, display, and perform the User Submissions in  
>> connection with the YouTube Website and YouTube's (and its  
>> successors' and affiliates') business, including without  
>> limitation for promoting and redistributing part or all of the  
>> YouTube Website (and derivative works thereof) in any media  
>> formats and through any media channels."
>>
>> I think this is incredibly problematic for any media producer,  
>> particularly non-profits who are often putting up sensitive  
>> materials (human rights violations say or indigenous issues). The  
>> fact that CC licenses are also not available is also cause for  
>> concern for those interested in marrying their principals with how  
>> they license their work. I don't think giving away 300 digital  
>> cameras (a drop in the ocean for YT) really cuts it myself  
>> particularly given YT will basically get a stack of free content  
>> they can then advertise next too, they'll make up the cost of  
>> those cameras pretty quickly. Add to this the fact that YT make it  
>> hard to download and remix work and only offer low-resolution  
>> flash video and you still have a pretty standard 'broadcast' media  
>> model.
>>
>> In my opinion YT basically offer an audience, highly valuable, but  
>> for me it's not enough. I think Plone people should be much more  
>> interested in creating alternatives to YT that allow people to  
>> control their content and gather money from advertising or  
>> donations which YT doesn't currently allow (though apparently they  
>> are moving to.) Basically that's some of the core reasons for  
>> EngageMedia/Plumi <http:/plumi.org> which we've been working on  
>> for a while now.
>>
>> If you want to read more rants along this line you can check
>> http://www.engagemedia.org/Members/andrewl/news/freebeer/
>>
>> Cheers.
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 29/09/2007, at 4:51 AM, Alexander Limi wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 15:06:23 -0700, Alexander Limi  
>>> <limi at plone.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> YouTube have just opened up premium accounts to non profits too  
>>>>> though, there must be something in the air at google :-)
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, there's a lot of great NGO activity here these days. :)
>>>
>>> Nice, I just saw that they are giving away video cameras to the  
>>> first 300 NGOs that sign up — I wasn't aware of that:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits
>>>
>>> --Alexander Limi · http://limi.net
>>>
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