Anyone interested in cosponsoring work on a tighter integration of Plone and Mailman?

[Zahid Malik]

Hi

Just to say that we are the team working with Ben on this and
depending on what the best solution might be - we would be happy to
send over a couple of our guys to a sprint in the Netherlands.


Cheers

Zahid

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On Nov 21, 2007 1:32 PM, sisi <sisi at foei.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Carsten Senger wrote:
> > Hi Ben,
> >
> > Ben Rudder wrote:
>
> > A little off topic because we have no ressources to cosponser
> > integration. But we, a very small umemployed ngo, had the same problems
> > some time ago. I skimmed trough the sources of Mailman 2 and did some
> > research about approaches to extend Mailman 2. Hacking Mailman 2 is
> > undesireable and was out of question to us, so we opted for the manual
> > approach.
> >
> > Our biggest win since then was migrating to Sympa.
> > (http://www.sympa.org). It's a mailinglist server written in Perl.
>
> I'm glad someone else brought Sympa up!
>
> There have already been discussions about integrating Sympa with Plone,
> as a replacement for listen (because indeed using the zope/ plone stack
> to handle mailing lists for large lists and heavy traffic is not a good
> idea). I don't want to go over the reasons why Sympa rather than mailman
> cause that is covered by Carsten below.
>
> I did want to say though, that this is something Friends of the Earth
> International and Friends of the Earth Netherlands desperatly need, and
> I was planning on drumming up support for a sprint to get some
> developers together to work on this in the new year. We can't offer
> money but we can offer space and logistics for the sprint (in
> amsterdam!) and I am hoping FoE Netherlands will be able to provide some
> programming skills too.
>
> In the International office we are still using mailman, but I'd like to
> migrate to Sympa for alot of reasons. No idea what the migration path is
> like but perhaps that's something we could work on together if you find
> Sympa interesting too (Carsten I'd appreciate any tips you have but it's
> a bit off topic so maybe off list?)
>
> I believe the Sympa community have already been approached about
> integration with Plone and were happy with it, but I might have that wrong.
>
> I'm open to the integration being with mailman if that is the majority
> wish, and would be still like to help organise a sprint if so, but
> perhaps we can discuss which mailing list software to integrate with
> first and make a decision as a community?
>
> I think the plone community as a whole would back this, not just in the
> NGO world, so maybe we need to move this discussion over to the third
> party products list (but not till I've joined that list!!) :-)
>
> Cheers,
> and thanks to Ben for bringing this up, I hope we can work together soon :-)
> sisi
>
>
> > If you do some research you should consider migrating to and integrating
> > Sympa. And it would be a far more flexible solution for the community.
> >
> > We chose it because
> > - it's mature and is constandly being developed
> > - has a serverwide userdb
> > - can authenticate against different sources (cas, shibboleth and ldap)
> > - has an advances permission and rule system (authentication scenarios)
> > - templates for different list types (List Families)
> > - true virtual hosts were you can use the same listname in different
> >   hosts.
> > - a SOAP interface
> > - RSS-Feeds
> > - good documentation
> >
> > cons for us where:
> > - setup and integration into postfix with virtual domains can be a
> >   little tricker
> > - flexible bounce-management (and in general more options) that we had
> >   to consider
> > - UI could be more intuitive
> > - perl
> > - less known and a smaller userbase
> >
> > ..carsten
> >
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> > NGO at lists.plone.org
> > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo
>
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