Anyone interested in cosponsoring work on a tighter integration of Plone and Mailman?

[sisi]

Hi all,

Carsten Senger wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
> Ben Rudder wrote:

> A little off topic because we have no ressources to cosponser 
> integration. But we, a very small umemployed ngo, had the same problems 
> some time ago. I skimmed trough the sources of Mailman 2 and did some 
> research about approaches to extend Mailman 2. Hacking Mailman 2 is 
> undesireable and was out of question to us, so we opted for the manual 
> approach.
> 
> Our biggest win since then was migrating to Sympa. 
> (http://www.sympa.org). It's a mailinglist server written in Perl.

I'm glad someone else brought Sympa up!

There have already been discussions about integrating Sympa with Plone, 
as a replacement for listen (because indeed using the zope/ plone stack 
to handle mailing lists for large lists and heavy traffic is not a good 
idea). I don't want to go over the reasons why Sympa rather than mailman 
cause that is covered by Carsten below.

I did want to say though, that this is something Friends of the Earth 
International and Friends of the Earth Netherlands desperatly need, and 
I was planning on drumming up support for a sprint to get some 
developers together to work on this in the new year. We can't offer 
money but we can offer space and logistics for the sprint (in 
amsterdam!) and I am hoping FoE Netherlands will be able to provide some 
programming skills too.

In the International office we are still using mailman, but I'd like to 
migrate to Sympa for alot of reasons. No idea what the migration path is 
like but perhaps that's something we could work on together if you find 
Sympa interesting too (Carsten I'd appreciate any tips you have but it's 
a bit off topic so maybe off list?)

I believe the Sympa community have already been approached about 
integration with Plone and were happy with it, but I might have that wrong.

I'm open to the integration being with mailman if that is the majority 
wish, and would be still like to help organise a sprint if so, but 
perhaps we can discuss which mailing list software to integrate with 
first and make a decision as a community?

I think the plone community as a whole would back this, not just in the 
NGO world, so maybe we need to move this discussion over to the third 
party products list (but not till I've joined that list!!) :-)

Cheers,
and thanks to Ben for bringing this up, I hope we can work together soon :-)
sisi

> If you do some research you should consider migrating to and integrating 
> Sympa. And it would be a far more flexible solution for the community.
> 
> We chose it because
> - it's mature and is constandly being developed
> - has a serverwide userdb
> - can authenticate against different sources (cas, shibboleth and ldap)
> - has an advances permission and rule system (authentication scenarios)
> - templates for different list types (List Families)
> - true virtual hosts were you can use the same listname in different
>   hosts.
> - a SOAP interface
> - RSS-Feeds
> - good documentation
> 
> cons for us where:
> - setup and integration into postfix with virtual domains can be a
>   little tricker
> - flexible bounce-management (and in general more options) that we had
>   to consider
> - UI could be more intuitive
> - perl
> - less known and a smaller userbase
> 
> ..carsten
> 
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