Plone NGO Mailing List Christian Aid go for Microsoft over Open Source
sisi
sisi at foei.org
Thu Nov 16 17:13:27 UTC 2006
Salesforce might be a little over kill for our needs but it sounds
really interesting so I will look in to it. Thanks for the tip :-)
I understand now what you are saying about plone handling email. My
colleague Paul from Friends of the Earth Netherlands has just explained
the technical details of why trying to handle a mailing list with 1000
plus people with plone is a bad idea.
I believe there are the beginnings of plans afoot to integrate current
mailing list software with plone, letting plone do the nice user
interface stuff and storing and processing the data elsewhere.
Listen is a great concept so I hope there is a way to make it more
robust, or at least scale. Or use some of the concepts of listen to make
a more robust product (for mailing lists processing 5000 email addresses
etc)
Cheers,
sisi
michael nt milne wrote:
> Yes, I see what you're saying. Plone does have scaled down CRM type
> tools and that's useful. Just that full email integration is very tricky
> and often involves a lot of data. I don't think Plone does email very
> well at the moment and am not sure if it is a priority. Probably not. I
> understand what you're trying to do though. Have you thought about using
> Plone together with something like Salesforce as well. It integrates
> with email and also speaks to Plone. You've got power on both sides
> then. Salesforce Enterprise is free for NGOs as well. Works with Plone
> 2.5. Member objects, contact info in Plone are available to Salesforce
> and Salesforce data is available to Plone.
>
> On 11/16/06, *sisi* < sisi at foei.org <mailto:sisi at foei.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
> michael nt milne wrote:
> > "My preference is to integrate email lists."
> >
> > Yes, but you're getting into Customer Relationship Managment and Plone
> > is not a CRM tool and it's best if it never becomes or tries to be
> one.
> > Most CRM tools allow Outlook integration and it's best if that is
> kept
> > there I feel.
>
> I don't want to interface with everyones mobile phones, faxes and credit
> card details, just their emails :-)
>
> And the point is, I still need such a tool, so if it can be created
> within plone that would make me very happy.
>
> Also, a scaled down CRM seems to me very like the kind of tools that are
> being developed by people in the plone community to handle the
> information of volunteers and supporters, mostly in combination with
> ldap. So this sounds like semantics to me. I don't want the
> functionality of most of a CRM tool, just one part of what they do
> (though I wouldn't say integration with outlook was functional...)
>
> If I have the wrong end of the technical stick please set me right!
>
> > I'm not sure if MailBoxer is a solid solution from some comments
> on the
> > Zope list. Doesn't it use the ZODB for storing all the email etc?
>
> I don't know I'm afraid. I'm backing the concept more than the
> technical
> details at this stage. I hope someone who is developing listen can
> answer this, I think they are on the list.
>
> Cheers,
> sisi
>
> > On 11/16/06, * sisi* <sisi at foei.org <mailto:sisi at foei.org>
> <mailto:sisi at foei.org <mailto:sisi at foei.org>>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Andy McKay wrote:
> > > Unfortunately offline is here to stay for quite a long time,
> and for
> > > organisations that go into places with poor internet
> connectivity a
> > > common problem that isn't going to get solved soon. Gosh I have
> > problems
> > > getting online in the north of england :)
> >
> > +1
> > Poor internet connectivity is not just to do with the technology
> > available but largely to do with a country's communications
> > infrastructure and political situation.
> >
> > Many of us on this list either work in or with organisations in
> > countries where water or electricity aren't taken for granted,
> never
> > mind internet connectivity.
> >
> > My preference is to integrate email lists. People tend to want
> to use
> > the tools they are used to, and email is so institutional now.
> It's the
> > way most people communicate electronically, it allows easy
> access when
> > on a dial up connection and most people have an email address for
> > communicating with friends, family, and other work contacts.
> And it's
> > cross platform. So why would we make them access yet another
> tool in
> > order to collaborate? At any rate, in my organisation people
> are very
> > resistant to moving away from email as a way of collaboration and
> > communication. Very.
> >
> > But, as Peter pointed out "Sole use of email usually means a
> dramatic
> > loss institutional memory" Yup! Couldn't agree more.
> >
> > So if we can integrate email lists into plone, I think we'd
> have a good
> > collaboration tool. I'm personally pinning my hopes on Listen.
> I know
> > this does not work so well with collaborating on documents but
> in my
> > experience people want to stick with word documents, track
> changes and
> > email. That's what they want because it's also what they know,
> and it's
> > easy.
> >
> > If there is any chance of designing an online/ offline
> solution that
> > makes sense for people I'm very interested in supporting it.
> After all,
> > people flocked to skype and instant messaging. These tools can be
> > intrusive and entail people being constantly online, but they
> were easy
> > enough for people to adopt without a steep learning curve.
> >
> > For the time being, did I mention Listen yet? :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > sisi
> >
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> > # Friends of the Earth International
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