From md at derico.de  Mon Nov  1 16:29:45 2021
From: md at derico.de (Maik, Derstappen)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 18:29:45 +0200
Subject: [Framework-Team] Replenishing the FWT
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzNatk4HXcs7qUYJw3+Xampu5N7_p3JptXfRsVqtQDuAmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzMkgXM0Fp3h2X+mxG3B17bsAoYDgodvLoSML8GQpAgSWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNatk4HXcs7qUYJw3+Xampu5N7_p3JptXfRsVqtQDuAmQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Am 31.10.21 um 17:30 schrieb Alessandro Pisa:
> On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 at 10:36, Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> But so far I got positive feedback from:
>> - Silvio Tomatis
>> - Peter Mathis
>>
> Also Fred Van Dijk mentioned he would like to be in the team.
> For transparency I would like to have a FWT meeting with the old
> members only (so I would not ask Alin) where we just vote for the new
> members.
> If you agree with my idea, I will take care of informing Alin about that.
>
> Let me know please!
>
> Thanks!
Hi Alessandro,

are we making a FWT meeting tomorrow?
I'm in for that, so that we can move on.
Same time, are going to invite or should i do it?

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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 07:26:07 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:26:07 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] Replenishing the FWT
In-Reply-To: <110d8c10-c82a-0679-4d05-d7c16601c90f@derico.de>
References: <CAFLUjzMkgXM0Fp3h2X+mxG3B17bsAoYDgodvLoSML8GQpAgSWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNatk4HXcs7qUYJw3+Xampu5N7_p3JptXfRsVqtQDuAmQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <110d8c10-c82a-0679-4d05-d7c16601c90f@derico.de>
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzMeNYCFp+jAzqZYa518_xQr33gtSo0Xr9uJrek-qg=UrQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 at 17:29, Maik, Derstappen <md at derico.de> wrote:

> are we making a FWT meeting tomorrow?
> I'm in for that, so that we can move on.
> Same time, are going to invite or should i do it?

I am in for that as well, can you please send the invites for 15pm?
They are kind of redundant I think, but let's be formal :)

Ciao!
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 07:29:02 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:29:02 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] Replenishing the FWT
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzNatk4HXcs7qUYJw3+Xampu5N7_p3JptXfRsVqtQDuAmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzMkgXM0Fp3h2X+mxG3B17bsAoYDgodvLoSML8GQpAgSWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNatk4HXcs7qUYJw3+Xampu5N7_p3JptXfRsVqtQDuAmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzMDkJjkcSifWVc9Lqb3r77+9yfJXF5LZf5xApoOrZoc6Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 at 16:30, Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com> wrote:
> For transparency I would like to have a FWT meeting with the old
> members only (so I would not ask Alin) where we just vote for the new
> members.
> If you agree with my idea, I will take care of informing Alin about that.
>
> Let me know please!

I guess the meeting today will happen without Alin. Am I wrong?
I will inform him.

Ciao!
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 21:06:02 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 22:06:02 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT meeting protocoll 2021-11-02
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzMs_nbhvHP7G+gM03D2cL_JNQQ5xLguDzVQKr1wORicBA@mail.gmail.com>

I everybody, please have a look to:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eScVthd7XLILe8chvKZJIBV6BA7xReWQYbYoSmBl1Tg/edit#

Feel free to amend it if you find I wrote something wrong and
integrate it if you find out I omitted something.

Thanks for your work!

Ciao :)
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Tue Nov  9 18:05:27 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 19:05:27 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody,
    I created this spreadsheet:
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sM9izkr_HQ8IHBYiumh3dDKvYX4wcgsRsz57EGcFn2s/edit#gid=0

Rodrigo and Timo you already got the permissions automatically because
you can access this folder:
- https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2ARzlIgSOhaXzNzV0V1NmIzQm8?resourcekey=0-GLrpx2qIMz-CvtNxmLgFJA

Maik I used your gmail email to grant you permission on that
spreadsheet, let me know if you want a different account.
Once I know which account to use I will also share the folder to Maik
(I was surprised when I found out he could not access it).

If you have other candidates please add them there, everybody should
be able to contribute.

If you do not have any more candidate please tell me, I would like to
start the voting process ASAP.

Ciao!
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Thu Nov 11 20:20:19 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 21:20:19 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 19:05, Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>     I created this spreadsheet:
> - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sM9izkr_HQ8IHBYiumh3dDKvYX4wcgsRsz57EGcFn2s/edit#gid=0
>

Hi all, given I had no reply I think we have no more candidates and it
is time to vote.

I propose to do it like this:
1. everyone of you has 3 points
2. you should write the points you want to assign to each candidate in
your column in the spreadsheet.
3. points can be shared between 2 or 3 candidates, i.e. you can put 2
on candidate X and 1 on candidate Y or assign 1 point on 3 candidates
you like.
4. I will not vote unless we have a tie, which will be quite hard for
me because I was the one asking all of them to submit their
application
5. after everyone voted (which I hope will happen in the next 24/48
hours) we can check the results and see if we think that the two
candidates with the highest number of points can join the team keeping
a good balance, if not I would happily declare my proposal a failure
and organize an hangout to discuss that face to face :)

If you like my proposal go to the spreadsheet and vote.
If you think it is BS tell me openly (choosing candidates is not my
job, I will not be offended).
If you have better proposals, please tell me.

Note: I ask you to judge the candidates based on what you know they
did for the community and disregard their letter, I deliberately asked
them to keep it really short.

Ciao!
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 07:30:17 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 08:30:17 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzOCuAeh8Yyi0P+s1Cw=FcyNGy7T4FuobMh9b78uAAnz0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everybody, did you receive my mail?
What do you think?

Ciao!
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From md at derico.de  Mon Nov 15 08:21:52 2021
From: md at derico.de (Maik, Derstappen)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 10:21:52 +0200
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbc16208-9082-292a-a9f4-d1d99d384fe9@derico.de>

Am 11.11.21 um 22:20 schrieb Alessandro Pisa:
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2021 at 19:05, Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>      I created this spreadsheet:
>> - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sM9izkr_HQ8IHBYiumh3dDKvYX4wcgsRsz57EGcFn2s/edit#gid=0
>>
> Hi all, given I had no reply I think we have no more candidates and it
> is time to vote.
>
> I propose to do it like this:
> 1. everyone of you has 3 points
> 2. you should write the points you want to assign to each candidate in
> your column in the spreadsheet.
> 3. points can be shared between 2 or 3 candidates, i.e. you can put 2
> on candidate X and 1 on candidate Y or assign 1 point on 3 candidates
> you like.
> 4. I will not vote unless we have a tie, which will be quite hard for
> me because I was the one asking all of them to submit their
> application
> 5. after everyone voted (which I hope will happen in the next 24/48
> hours) we can check the results and see if we think that the two
> candidates with the highest number of points can join the team keeping
> a good balance, if not I would happily declare my proposal a failure
> and organize an hangout to discuss that face to face :)
>
> If you like my proposal go to the spreadsheet and vote.
> If you think it is BS tell me openly (choosing candidates is not my
> job, I will not be offended).
> If you have better proposals, please tell me.
>
> Note: I ask you to judge the candidates based on what you know they
> did for the community and disregard their letter, I deliberately asked
> them to keep it really short.
>
> Ciao!
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> https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa
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Hi Alessandro, sorry for the delay, i voted.

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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 15:21:48 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 16:21:48 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzNHx44p=GMz5z4eSBcKQ=GEb3NMUeCtXexnNjd7741LUg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much Maik for voting.

Anyway this is not clearly working.
I am eager to replenish the FWT because there is quite a lot of work
to do summing up the PLIPs we should evaluate and the PR we are asked
to judge/review.

What if we add to the team all the 4 of them?
I guess it will be a massive improvement and we need to take action to
revamp the activity of the team.

Please reply ASAP...
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From md at derico.de  Tue Nov 16 15:24:31 2021
From: md at derico.de (Maik, Derstappen)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:24:31 +0200
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzNHx44p=GMz5z4eSBcKQ=GEb3NMUeCtXexnNjd7741LUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNHx44p=GMz5z4eSBcKQ=GEb3NMUeCtXexnNjd7741LUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <901acfc7-a3b5-2165-40db-b58f5e97eb14@derico.de>

Am 16.11.21 um 17:21 schrieb Alessandro Pisa:
> Thank you very much Maik for voting.
>
> Anyway this is not clearly working.
> I am eager to replenish the FWT because there is quite a lot of work
> to do summing up the PLIPs we should evaluate and the PR we are asked
> to judge/review.
>
> What if we add to the team all the 4 of them?
> I guess it will be a massive improvement and we need to take action to
> revamp the activity of the team.
>
> Please reply ASAP...
fine with me

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From tisto at plone.org  Tue Nov 16 16:40:59 2021
From: tisto at plone.org (Timo Stollenwerk)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:40:59 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <901acfc7-a3b5-2165-40db-b58f5e97eb14@derico.de>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNHx44p=GMz5z4eSBcKQ=GEb3NMUeCtXexnNjd7741LUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <901acfc7-a3b5-2165-40db-b58f5e97eb14@derico.de>
Message-ID: <CAOysStrNNA6uF1cRkMestPvYHCFv_aCvvNPy5Du=BauBOtWx8w@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:24 PM Maik, Derstappen <md at derico.de> wrote:

> Am 16.11.21 um 17:21 schrieb Alessandro Pisa:
> > Thank you very much Maik for voting.
> >
> > Anyway this is not clearly working.
> > I am eager to replenish the FWT because there is quite a lot of work
> > to do summing up the PLIPs we should evaluate and the PR we are asked
> > to judge/review.
> >
> > What if we add to the team all the 4 of them?
> > I guess it will be a massive improvement and we need to take action to
> > revamp the activity of the team.
>

I am strongly against blowing up the FWT. We should keep the FWT small and
the responsibilities narrowed IMO. More people means longer meetings and
more discussions. I am open for an efficient FWT with less meetings,
dedicated members, and a clear mission. Most PLIPs we discuss come from
people within the FWT already. We are about to add more people that are
working on PLIPs. We will end up with a discussion round for people that
implement PLIPs.

I hesitate to just vote for individual members. For me it is more important
that our new FWT is diverse and represents both Plone Classic and Volto.
I'd propose to discuss this in a face-to-face meeting and make a decision
in the next meeting.

Cheers,
Timo
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 16:58:18 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 17:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAOysStrNNA6uF1cRkMestPvYHCFv_aCvvNPy5Du=BauBOtWx8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNHx44p=GMz5z4eSBcKQ=GEb3NMUeCtXexnNjd7741LUg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 at 17:41, Timo Stollenwerk <tisto at plone.org> wrote:
>
> I am strongly against blowing up the FWT. We should keep the FWT small and the responsibilities narrowed IMO. More people means longer meetings and more discussions. I am open for an efficient FWT with less meetings, dedicated members, and a clear mission. Most PLIPs we discuss come from people within the FWT already. We are about to add more people that are working on PLIPs. We will end up with a discussion round for people that implement PLIPs.
>
> I hesitate to just vote for individual members. For me it is more important that our new FWT is diverse and represents both Plone Classic and Volto. I'd propose to discuss this in a face-to-face meeting and make a decision in the next meeting.
>

Thanks Timo and Maik for the quick reply!

I see Timo's points.

But I also see people not replying to emails in this mailing list and
to GitHub issues.
It is true that having more people in the conversation might increase
the talking time, but it will increase the chance that people that are
working for Plone will have a quicker reply.
I would appreciate it more to have this email in my inbox already a
couple of days ago :)

Anyway, I second your motion!
Let's try to organize a meeting.

But please, let's try to deliver quickly because it is taking an
insane amount of time...

Is tomorrow at 2 PM CET fine for everyone?

Ciao!
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From tisto at plone.org  Wed Nov 17 07:09:51 2021
From: tisto at plone.org (Timo Stollenwerk)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 08:09:51 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzN_AWggkhxPWGgdHx=fVWj+npXyWTeAYmboNOV7O_WxDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNLLw3D0D4mcim1QDmCv_Mf8WWMwb6Zg5oa+0f4Cf8o5w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFLUjzNHx44p=GMz5z4eSBcKQ=GEb3NMUeCtXexnNjd7741LUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <901acfc7-a3b5-2165-40db-b58f5e97eb14@derico.de>
 <CAOysStrNNA6uF1cRkMestPvYHCFv_aCvvNPy5Du=BauBOtWx8w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOysStp8BreAYTL7h7u3GdZvncWfEz1VrAkSJCNt-X2fB3LgJQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have to pick up my son at 2 pm from the kindergarten. 1 pm would work for
me or anything after 16:00.

Cheers,
Timo

On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 at 17:41, Timo Stollenwerk <tisto at plone.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am strongly against blowing up the FWT. We should keep the FWT small
> and the responsibilities narrowed IMO. More people means longer meetings
> and more discussions. I am open for an efficient FWT with less meetings,
> dedicated members, and a clear mission. Most PLIPs we discuss come from
> people within the FWT already. We are about to add more people that are
> working on PLIPs. We will end up with a discussion round for people that
> implement PLIPs.
> >
> > I hesitate to just vote for individual members. For me it is more
> important that our new FWT is diverse and represents both Plone Classic and
> Volto. I'd propose to discuss this in a face-to-face meeting and make a
> decision in the next meeting.
> >
>
> Thanks Timo and Maik for the quick reply!
>
> I see Timo's points.
>
> But I also see people not replying to emails in this mailing list and
> to GitHub issues.
> It is true that having more people in the conversation might increase
> the talking time, but it will increase the chance that people that are
> working for Plone will have a quicker reply.
> I would appreciate it more to have this email in my inbox already a
> couple of days ago :)
>
> Anyway, I second your motion!
> Let's try to organize a meeting.
>
> But please, let's try to deliver quickly because it is taking an
> insane amount of time...
>
> Is tomorrow at 2 PM CET fine for everyone?
>
> Ciao!
> --
> @ale_pisa - http://ale-rt.github.io - http://alepisa.blogspot.com -
> https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa
>
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From md at derico.de  Wed Nov 17 07:26:35 2021
From: md at derico.de (Maik Derstappen)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:26:35 +0200
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAOysStp8BreAYTL7h7u3GdZvncWfEz1VrAkSJCNt-X2fB3LgJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <50CADC4A-A04E-4088-87F2-1A8E1489105B@derico.de>

I'm flexible, just let me know when.

Maik

On November 17, 2021 9:09:51 AM GMT+02:00, Timo Stollenwerk <tisto at plone.org> wrote:
>I have to pick up my son at 2 pm from the kindergarten. 1 pm would work for
>me or anything after 16:00.
>
>Cheers,
>Timo
>
>On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 5:58 PM Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 at 17:41, Timo Stollenwerk <tisto at plone.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am strongly against blowing up the FWT. We should keep the FWT small
>> and the responsibilities narrowed IMO. More people means longer meetings
>> and more discussions. I am open for an efficient FWT with less meetings,
>> dedicated members, and a clear mission. Most PLIPs we discuss come from
>> people within the FWT already. We are about to add more people that are
>> working on PLIPs. We will end up with a discussion round for people that
>> implement PLIPs.
>> >
>> > I hesitate to just vote for individual members. For me it is more
>> important that our new FWT is diverse and represents both Plone Classic and
>> Volto. I'd propose to discuss this in a face-to-face meeting and make a
>> decision in the next meeting.
>> >
>>
>> Thanks Timo and Maik for the quick reply!
>>
>> I see Timo's points.
>>
>> But I also see people not replying to emails in this mailing list and
>> to GitHub issues.
>> It is true that having more people in the conversation might increase
>> the talking time, but it will increase the chance that people that are
>> working for Plone will have a quicker reply.
>> I would appreciate it more to have this email in my inbox already a
>> couple of days ago :)
>>
>> Anyway, I second your motion!
>> Let's try to organize a meeting.
>>
>> But please, let's try to deliver quickly because it is taking an
>> insane amount of time...
>>
>> Is tomorrow at 2 PM CET fine for everyone?
>>
>> Ciao!
>> --
>> @ale_pisa - http://ale-rt.github.io - http://alepisa.blogspot.com -
>> https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa
>>

-- 
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https://derico.de
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 11:19:15 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:19:15 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <50CADC4A-A04E-4088-87F2-1A8E1489105B@derico.de>
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 08:26, Maik Derstappen <md at derico.de> wrote:
>
> I'm flexible, just let me know when.
>

1pm should work for me as well.
https://meet.jit.si/plone-fwt

Ciao!

P.s.: I changed the ML address I was posting to the old one. So the
rest of the thread is here:
https://lists.plone.org/pipermail/plone-framework-team/2021-November/thread.html
-- 
@ale_pisa - http://ale-rt.github.io - http://alepisa.blogspot.com -
https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa

From tisto at plone.org  Wed Nov 17 12:13:19 2021
From: tisto at plone.org (Timo Stollenwerk)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:13:19 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzPJgb7upjk6FA2tRP6kd4Ahk2bi5+xhiQW_ni+MhMH4Hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOysStpbFcAbKGWrR_ckbFxPTSAKgprZu+qFuWFAm5r4+YXNwA@mail.gmail.com>

We are in the call.

T

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:19 PM Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 08:26, Maik Derstappen <md at derico.de> wrote:
> >
> > I'm flexible, just let me know when.
> >
>
> 1pm should work for me as well.
> https://meet.jit.si/plone-fwt
>
> Ciao!
>
> P.s.: I changed the ML address I was posting to the old one. So the
> rest of the thread is here:
>
> https://lists.plone.org/pipermail/plone-framework-team/2021-November/thread.html
> --
> @ale_pisa - http://ale-rt.github.io - http://alepisa.blogspot.com -
> https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa
>
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From rodfersou at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 14:42:07 2021
From: rodfersou at gmail.com (Rodrigo Ferreira de Souza)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:42:07 +0800
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAOysStpbFcAbKGWrR_ckbFxPTSAKgprZu+qFuWFAm5r4+YXNwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzNS_bnESA6BJS=cGd1=VZXWCf+=fANQsZ2ecK+EuMsR2Q@mail.gmail.com>
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just see the e-mail... tried to join but everyone is gone :)

Atenciosamente,
Rodrigo Ferreira de Souza

python -c "n='H+6(13+zT5((51(9z65zG+%
9';s=len(n)-1;i=list(range(s+1))[::-1]+list(range(1,s+1));print('\n'.join(['
'.join([chr(154-ord(n[(x if x > y else y)])) for y in i]) for x in i]))"



On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 8:13 PM Timo Stollenwerk <tisto at plone.org> wrote:

> We are in the call.
>
> T
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:19 PM Alessandro Pisa <
> alessandro.pisa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 08:26, Maik Derstappen <md at derico.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm flexible, just let me know when.
>> >
>>
>> 1pm should work for me as well.
>> https://meet.jit.si/plone-fwt
>>
>> Ciao!
>>
>> P.s.: I changed the ML address I was posting to the old one. So the
>> rest of the thread is here:
>>
>> https://lists.plone.org/pipermail/plone-framework-team/2021-November/thread.html
>> --
>> @ale_pisa - http://ale-rt.github.io - http://alepisa.blogspot.com -
>> https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa
>>
>
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 14:45:32 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 15:45:32 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAOdJJ2eCrj27fv_LXrJE4ViKYGiPfvQQjcmv6tuQ8pM=MZhSYg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 15:42, Rodrigo Ferreira de Souza
<rodfersou at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> just see the e-mail... tried to join but everyone is gone :)
>

Short summary. Out of the 4 people here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sM9izkr_HQ8IHBYiumh3dDKvYX4wcgsRsz57EGcFn2s/edit#gid=0
we picked Alin and Silvio as the next FWT members.

Are you fine with that or do you have other preferences?

If you are fine with that I will call it official, otherwise let's talk more :)

Ciao!
-- 
@ale_pisa - http://ale-rt.github.io - http://alepisa.blogspot.com -
https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa

From rodfersou at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 14:55:42 2021
From: rodfersou at gmail.com (Rodrigo Ferreira de Souza)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:55:42 +0800
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT candidate selection 2021
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzND0eWFhSRfPtYTxpR-bkon4ZPsfGeu1duzJN+j_8rRLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOdJJ2fdH0_V9kaRJ1FhUFhWOttk_r+5Bbh2CQ=CpgNONUjD7g@mail.gmail.com>

Added my votes, I didn't interact with Silvio before, but have good
impression with the others.

Happy with your decision

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021, 22:45 Alessandro Pisa <alessandro.pisa at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, 17 Nov 2021 at 15:42, Rodrigo Ferreira de Souza
> <rodfersou at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > just see the e-mail... tried to join but everyone is gone :)
> >
>
> Short summary. Out of the 4 people here
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sM9izkr_HQ8IHBYiumh3dDKvYX4wcgsRsz57EGcFn2s/edit#gid=0
> we picked Alin and Silvio as the next FWT members.
>
> Are you fine with that or do you have other preferences?
>
> If you are fine with that I will call it official, otherwise let's talk
> more :)
>
> Ciao!
> --
> @ale_pisa - http://ale-rt.github.io - http://alepisa.blogspot.com -
> https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa
>
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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 16:54:24 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:54:24 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] New FWT members
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzP8mj-gBc=7xaTasBpVW-NyQcGyiJ_esRV7O0uc6=v65Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,
based on the process we adopted, the selected candidates are:
- Alin
- Silvio

If you agree, tomorrow:

1. I will write to them that they have been selected
2. I will write a post on community.plone.org mentioning what happened

The post will be something like.

Subject: Two new volunteers have been selected for the FWT

Body:

We received 4 applications to volunteer for the FWT.
After a thoughtful discussion,
we have selected two new volunteers for the FWT:

- Alin Voinea
- Silvio Tomatis

We thank all the applicants for their interest
in contributing to the FWT activity.

One option that we discussed
was to select more than two candidates.

We agreed, for the moment, to not change the team size.
This can change in the future and we will consider
the current applications still valid,
if the applicants are still ok with that.

We plan to have a FWT meeting in the next few weeks
to welcome the new volunteers
and to discuss the next steps.

~~ End of the post ~~

As usual, let me know if this is fine.

If it is ok, we will have to:

- Add Alin and Silvio to the Google ML (I think Jens can)
- Add them to the GitHub plone group `@plone/framework-team` (I think Jens can)
- Share to them the folder on Google Drive (I think I can do that)
- organize a welcome meeting

Suggestions and comments are always welcome, thanks a lot for your time!

Ciao!
-- 
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https://it.linkedin.com/in/apisa

From md at derico.de  Thu Nov 18 17:39:46 2021
From: md at derico.de (Maik, Derstappen)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:39:46 +0200
Subject: [Framework-Team] New FWT members
In-Reply-To: <CAFLUjzP8mj-gBc=7xaTasBpVW-NyQcGyiJ_esRV7O0uc6=v65Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFLUjzP8mj-gBc=7xaTasBpVW-NyQcGyiJ_esRV7O0uc6=v65Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dfbe15c5-8237-f842-c86f-10748e614278@derico.de>

Hi Alessandro,

thx, it looks good to me.

cheers, Maik


Am 18.11.21 um 18:54 schrieb Alessandro Pisa:
> Dear all,
> based on the process we adopted, the selected candidates are:
> - Alin
> - Silvio
>
> If you agree, tomorrow:
>
> 1. I will write to them that they have been selected
> 2. I will write a post on community.plone.org mentioning what happened
>
> The post will be something like.
>
> Subject: Two new volunteers have been selected for the FWT
>
> Body:
>
> We received 4 applications to volunteer for the FWT.
> After a thoughtful discussion,
> we have selected two new volunteers for the FWT:
>
> - Alin Voinea
> - Silvio Tomatis
>
> We thank all the applicants for their interest
> in contributing to the FWT activity.
>
> One option that we discussed
> was to select more than two candidates.
>
> We agreed, for the moment, to not change the team size.
> This can change in the future and we will consider
> the current applications still valid,
> if the applicants are still ok with that.
>
> We plan to have a FWT meeting in the next few weeks
> to welcome the new volunteers
> and to discuss the next steps.
>
> ~~ End of the post ~~
>
> As usual, let me know if this is fine.
>
> If it is ok, we will have to:
>
> - Add Alin and Silvio to the Google ML (I think Jens can)
> - Add them to the GitHub plone group `@plone/framework-team` (I think Jens can)
> - Share to them the folder on Google Drive (I think I can do that)
> - organize a welcome meeting
>
> Suggestions and comments are always welcome, thanks a lot for your time!
>
> Ciao!


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From alessandro.pisa at gmail.com  Mon Nov 22 22:24:32 2021
From: alessandro.pisa at gmail.com (Alessandro Pisa)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 23:24:32 +0100
Subject: [Framework-Team] FWT welcome meeting
Message-ID: <CAFLUjzOKh_z5tGsVnFFTNRkYKhsY8YKZA=FLomavZaJauyLZWw@mail.gmail.com>

As mentioned in my previous emails, tomorrow we will have a jitsi
video call at 3pm CET.

You can join the meeting following this URL: https://meet.jit.si/plone-fwt

Alin and Silvio, the goal of the meeting is to have you set-up and
ready to contribute.
So we will tell you what we do and plan to do.

That's it.
See you tomorrow!

P.s.: I am sending this email also to check if Alin and Silvio are
able to receive the ML messages and to check if they can as well send
messages to it.
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