[Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats

Nathan Van Gheem nathan at vangheem.us
Tue Jul 8 16:05:49 UTC 2014


Sigh, I won't be able to make the meeting anymore...
On Jul 7, 2014 12:57 PM, "Franco Pellegrini" <frapell at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Johannes Raggam <raggam-nl at adm.at> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 07:40 -0500, Nathan Van Gheem wrote:
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>> >         > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Giacomo Spettoli
>> >         > <giacomo.spettoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >         >         While we can all agree that Rok as made a good job
>> >         >         so far, I think we have to fully realize what he
>> >         >         just said: the main author of the front-end of
>> >         >         plone5 is leaving the project! This is even more
>> >         >         dangerous since the front-end should have been (and
>> >         >         maybe will be) the "shimmering thing" to attract
>> >         >         once more new customers to Plone.
>> >         >
>> >         >         We ended up in this shitty situation since we, as a
>> >         >         community, made the big mistake of putting all our
>> >         >         energy on just very few people.
>> >         >
>> >         > How is this avoided though? Do we just not do the work? Rok
>> >         > did everything he could to get more people involved--just
>> >         > not much interest. Or if there was, that interest wasn't
>> >         > sustained.
>> >
>> >
>> >         This is not a technical problem, the FWT cannot fix it. It's
>> >         more of a management matter. But...I wrote the original mail
>> >         on Friday so I was polemic pointlessly.
>>
>> I'm sure, mockup will soon get the attention it deserves. Although there
>> is a lot of good documentation so far, we're still missing some
>> important parts. Namely how to solve real integration world problems:
>> How to use mockup and extend it with own patterns without having to
>> extend the core, How to use only part of the patterns...
>>
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> Using the generator, it is possible to include just the patterns you want.
> https://github.com/collective/generator-plonemockup
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> In my talk for the Midwest Symposium I identified 2 or 3 problems that
> didn't allow the generated skeleton to work out of the box (some stuff
> changed in mockup in the past months), but they are really trivial to
> manually solve by anyone who understands how mockup works. I need to fix
> the generator, I didn't have the time to do so yet...
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>> As Rok always said, we have to start using it. I will do it now for the
>> first time, for an ongoing project. I need TinyMCE 4 and I guess, I will
>> fix stuff along the road.
>>
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>> >         >         This said, I think that all the FWT members that
>> >         >         consider them self still active should really try
>> >         >         hard to be online this Tuesday to discuss the plan
>> >         >         to reach p5. Here some questions that need an
>> >         >         answer:
>> >         >
>> >         >         - What do we do now? How can we organize the work
>> >         >         for not being stuck in this situation again?
>> >         >
>> >         > FWIW, I'll be taking ownership of mockup...
>>
>> >         Excellent!
>> Thank you, Nathan!
>>
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> Yes, thank you! I will try to be involved a bit more in the project
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>> >         >         - how much man power do we have? Should we continue
>> >         >         based on the volunteers' effort only or should we
>> >         >         try to involve more the companies that may have the
>> >         >         strength to finish this?
>>
>> Bigger companies should start using it and fix stuff. Then more
>> dedicated Sprints are also an answer (come to:
>> http://www.coactivate.org/projects/zidanca-sprint-2014/project-home !)
>>
>> >         >         - Should we collect all the info and try to finish
>> >         >         mockup? or should we start from scratch basing our
>> >         >         effort on the latest best frameworks (Angular,
>> >         >         React...xyz)
>> >         >
>> >         > I'm sorry, but the idea of starting from scratch here seems
>> >         > ridiculous. Some of mockup uses React. Mockup isn't forcing
>> >         > the use of any particular js tech necessarily.
>>
>> >         Me too I think there's no time for starting from scratch
>> >         obviously. And it would be a waste of energy/money.
>> >         My intent was to put all the options on the table and so I was
>> >         being provocative on purpose ;)
>>
>> I'm also -A_LOT on starting from scratch. Mockup is quite far and
>> usable. Angular.js directives, Google Polymer and Mozilla X-Tags are the
>> only projects I know of, which have a similar scope like
>> Mockup/Patternslib. As soon as the Web Components W3C draft
>> ( http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/components#w3c_all ) becomes a
>> standard supported by modern browsers, we should replace Mockup with
>> that. And as soon this happens, the libs mentioned above will also
>> become obsolete.
>>
>> I hope I can make it to the meeting tomorrow. I have another important
>> project meeting the whole day and it can get tight to attend...
>>
>>
> See you guys tomorrow!
>
> Franco
>
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