[Framework-Team] FWT meeting attendance stats

Johannes Raggam raggam-nl at adm.at
Mon Jul 7 16:09:20 UTC 2014


On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 07:40 -0500, Nathan Van Gheem wrote:


>         > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Giacomo Spettoli
>         > <giacomo.spettoli at gmail.com> wrote:
>         >         While we can all agree that Rok as made a good job
>         >         so far, I think we have to fully realize what he
>         >         just said: the main author of the front-end of
>         >         plone5 is leaving the project! This is even more
>         >         dangerous since the front-end should have been (and
>         >         maybe will be) the "shimmering thing" to attract
>         >         once more new customers to Plone.
>         >         
>         >         We ended up in this shitty situation since we, as a
>         >         community, made the big mistake of putting all our
>         >         energy on just very few people.
>         >         
>         > How is this avoided though? Do we just not do the work? Rok
>         > did everything he could to get more people involved--just
>         > not much interest. Or if there was, that interest wasn't
>         > sustained.
>         
>         
>         This is not a technical problem, the FWT cannot fix it. It's
>         more of a management matter. But...I wrote the original mail
>         on Friday so I was polemic pointlessly.

I'm sure, mockup will soon get the attention it deserves. Although there
is a lot of good documentation so far, we're still missing some
important parts. Namely how to solve real integration world problems:
How to use mockup and extend it with own patterns without having to
extend the core, How to use only part of the patterns... 

As Rok always said, we have to start using it. I will do it now for the
first time, for an ongoing project. I need TinyMCE 4 and I guess, I will
fix stuff along the road.


>         >         This said, I think that all the FWT members that
>         >         consider them self still active should really try
>         >         hard to be online this Tuesday to discuss the plan
>         >         to reach p5. Here some questions that need an
>         >         answer:
>         >         
>         >         - What do we do now? How can we organize the work
>         >         for not being stuck in this situation again?
>         >         
>         > FWIW, I'll be taking ownership of mockup...

>         Excellent!
Thank you, Nathan!

 
>         >         - how much man power do we have? Should we continue
>         >         based on the volunteers' effort only or should we
>         >         try to involve more the companies that may have the
>         >         strength to finish this? 

Bigger companies should start using it and fix stuff. Then more
dedicated Sprints are also an answer (come to:
http://www.coactivate.org/projects/zidanca-sprint-2014/project-home !)

>         >         - Should we collect all the info and try to finish
>         >         mockup? or should we start from scratch basing our
>         >         effort on the latest best frameworks (Angular,
>         >         React...xyz)
>         >         
>         > I'm sorry, but the idea of starting from scratch here seems
>         > ridiculous. Some of mockup uses React. Mockup isn't forcing
>         > the use of any particular js tech necessarily.

>         Me too I think there's no time for starting from scratch
>         obviously. And it would be a waste of energy/money.
>         My intent was to put all the options on the table and so I was
>         being provocative on purpose ;)

I'm also -A_LOT on starting from scratch. Mockup is quite far and
usable. Angular.js directives, Google Polymer and Mozilla X-Tags are the
only projects I know of, which have a similar scope like
Mockup/Patternslib. As soon as the Web Components W3C draft
( http://www.w3.org/standards/techs/components#w3c_all ) becomes a
standard supported by modern browsers, we should replace Mockup with
that. And as soon this happens, the libs mentioned above will also
become obsolete.

I hope I can make it to the meeting tomorrow. I have another important
project meeting the whole day and it can get tight to attend...


>         > We're not that far off. Ramon and I are organizing a sprint
>         > around the idea of finishing up mockup integration with
>         > plone.
>         
>         
>         Nice, so the meeting of tomorrow will be a perfect occasion to
>         collect all the needs and see if somebody else can jump in and
>         help you two.
>         For example, at the time, I already offered my help for
>         improving the documentation and make it fit into the current
>         doc base.
>         
>         
>         >  
>         >         - should we involve the board in this discussion? (I
>         >         think yes, definitely!)
>         >         
>         >         Hope to see all of you guys online thuesday to
>         >         discuss all this :)
>         >         
>         > I'll be on.
>         
>         
>         Perfect, thanks!
>         
>         cheers,
>         Giacomo
>         
>         
>         >  
>         >         cheers,
>         >         Giacomo 
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         On 06/24/2014 07:14 PM, Roel Bruggink wrote:
>         >         
>         >         > Thank you for everything so far, Rok. 
>         >         > Come join us for some beer if you are in the
>         >         > Netherlands again! ;)
>         >         > 
>         >         > 
>         >         > -Roel
>         >         > 
>         >         > 
>         >         > On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 7:58 AM, Rok Garbas
>         >         > <rok at garbas.si> wrote:
>         >         >         hi guys,
>         >         >         
>         >         >         last month i've been unactive since i was
>         >         >         on a quest to learn surfing (some
>         >         >         call this vacation). with july i'm
>         >         >         starting to work in berlin in a position
>         >         >         which does not involve any plone
>         >         >         development, therefore i would like to
>         >         >         step
>         >         >         down as a framework team member since i
>         >         >         will have very little or no time for
>         >         >         plone in comming year.
>         >         >         
>         >         >         thank you for all the patience you had
>         >         >         with me.
>         >         >         
>         >         >         
>         >         >         --
>         >         >         Rok Garbas - http://www.garbas.si
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>         >         > 
>         >         > 
>         >         > -- 
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>         > 
>         > -- 
>         > Nathan Van Gheem 
>         > Solutions Architect
>         > Wildcard Corp
>         
>         
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>         
>         Giacomo Spettoli
>         
>         Twitter: http://twitter.com/giacomospettoli
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