[Framework-Team] Re: Plone 4 - holidays are over :)

[Alex Clark]

On 2010-01-05, Martin Aspeli <optilude+lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>>> A quick poll in #plone-framework showed that myself and Messrs. Glick and Clark had never heard of bin/instance console. We need to document the crap out of that.
>>
>> Eh, how do you guys start an instance without the forced debug mode of
>> "fg"? You don't use "start" for that, do you?
>
> I guess I never do that. :)
>
>>> Since when have we had that?
>>
>> Since we use buildout or to be more precise, April 2008. Let me quote
>> the PyPi page:
>>
>> 1.8 (2008-04-05)
>>
>> Added console command to the instance script, which is equivalent to
>> fg but does not implicitly turn on debug mode but respects the
>> zope.conf setting. [hannosch]
>>
>> One month later we changed it not to fork a process internally, so
>> this is what we've been using for supervisord configurations for
>> years.
>
> Heh, good. :) I've been using a lower level script (run.py or something, 
> deep inside Zope) in supervisord that I guess does the same thing.

So are they the same or not? If so, then we can stop feeling like 
idiots for missing 'bin/instance console' and continuing to use runzope ;-)
I'm getting the impression 'bin/instance console' is just a convenience.

> Martin
>