[Framework-Team] Re: Death to the roadmap page?

Alexander Limi limi at plone.org
Mon Sep 28 17:24:40 UTC 2009

I definitely agree, but at the moment we don't do a particularly good job at
covering our basic needs on the marketing front — and the roadmap isn't the
most important part of what we do for marketing. The stuff outlined in the
marketing plan (standardized marketing/conference material, feature
comparisons, etc) should have priority.

Of course, these aren't mutually exclusive, so if anyone wants to own this
piece and make it kick ass — go for it! In the meantime, we can at least get
the technical bits right, so our developers and already-using-Plone users
can get better information. :)

Alexander Limi · http://limi.net

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Nate Aune <natea at jazkarta.com> wrote:

> I think pointing newbies to the list of PLIPs is not a wise move from
> a marketing standpoint. You can certainly have the link to the PLIP
> page from the roadmap page, but I think there needs to be a more
> accessible and human friendly page showing what's coming in Plone 4/5.
> The list of PLIPs will just scare all but the most technical people
> away.
> Compare the descriptions of Plone with the Joomla and Drupal
> description on this page:
> http://guide.conecta.it/index.php/Content_management_systems
> Which of those CMSes (if you were completely new to CMSes) would be
> most attractive to you? The Drupal and Joomla descriptions tell you
> *what* you can actually do with the CMS. I think we need to boil it
> down for people and tell them that Plone can do all of those things as
> well, and show them examples of where it is done.
> The roadmap page is probably the first thing I would look at if I were
> choosing a technology on which to build my future website. It would
> need to be have a clear vision of what major changes will impact me,
> how they benefit me, and why they are important. It should be written
> in a non-jargony tone, but have links to more technical descriptions
> if I want to read the nitty gritty details.
> The roadmap page should get me excited about the future of Plone,
> preferably with screenshots and screencasts demonstrating these new
> features that will be included. It should instill trust that the Plone
> software project is moving forward and there is a unified vision for
> where it is going.
> Nate
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Alexander Limi <limi at plone.org> wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:29:08 -0700, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Unfortunately, the situation is *much worse* than Marie indicates, as
> the
> >> roadmap page is completely obsolete and outdated since we switched to
> >> trac.
> >> It's more than a bit embarrassing that we link to it from the home page.
> >>
> >> We should have something better, but meanwhile, what should we do with
> the
> >> old roadmap page? It may be useful to some as a historical artifact.
> >
> > The idea (at least for now) is to point it to the Trac roadmap page, and
> do
> > a bit better job with the release descriptions there.
> >
> > Eric Steele and Yours Truly have volunteered for this task, but we didn't
> > want to do it until 3.3 was out. Now it is, and the old roadmap page can
> be
> > retired.
> >
> > I don't think we need to involve Mark and others in this particular case
>> > they have much more important things they could be spending their time on
>> > but we can definitely do much better than we're doing right now.
> >
> > If nothing has happened by the end of this week, feel free to call us out
> on
> > it. :)
> >
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