[Framework-Team] Re: [Plone-developers] The new Plone 4.0

Laurence Rowe l at lrowe.co.uk
Sat May 9 12:21:10 UTC 2009

Martin Aspeli wrote:
> Alexander Limi wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 May 2009 15:56:36 -0700, Ricardo Alves  
>> <rsa at eurotux.com> wrote:
>>> Steve McMahon wrote:
>>>> My only concern about calling Hanno's incremental change list 4.0 is
>>>> that we don't suffer from big-number expectation syndrome.
>>> This is the biggest risk I guess, a major release with just a minor 
>>> set  of visible (UI) improvements, will bring bad publicity.
>> I agree — this is the biggest risk in terms of calling it 4.0 instead 
>> of  3.5. The consensus to call the 2009 release 4.0 makes sense to me 
>> — so +1  on that decision.
>> One way to mitigate this — and make Plone seem a bit more modern along 
>> the  way — could be to apply the new typography/theme that I'm 
>> currently  applying to trunk. This is essentially the typography from 
>> the plone.org  redesign along with a color-neutral design for the 
>> navigation and other UI  elements. The goal is to make something that 
>> you can put the company logo  on, and it looks relatively decent, no 
>> matter what your company colors are.
>> This would make 4.0 seem "fresh" out of the box, make it look like an  
>> application from 2009, and let us ship with considerably more  
>> efficient/smaller CSS files.
>> The risk would be that we need to do some IE6 testing on it, but that  
>> might not be a bad thing, since we know much more about IE6 
>> workarounds at  this point than we did when the original CSS was written.
> I'd support this, *if* it follows the usual PLIP process and we actively 
> encourage outside review from the get-go. That process may mean the 
> theme change gets a thumbs-down.
> Personally, I think it's a good idea, but in the past, we've had a lack 
> of commitment/follow-up with CSS/theme stuff, and a last-minute rush to 
> put in dozens of template and CSS changes which then cause breakage in 
> release candidates.
> We'd also need to find a way to not break all existing themes.
> A small visual refresh would be welcome, though. Plone is looking a bit 
> last millenium. :-/



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