[Framework-Team] Framework Team membership, release manager, roles and responsibilities

whit d.w.morriss at gmail.com
Wed Feb 27 16:29:58 UTC 2008

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 4:25 AM, Graham Perrin <G.J.Perrin at bton.ac.uk> wrote:
> > From: Andreas Zeidler <az at zitc.de>
>  > Date: 26 February 2008 23:46:24 GMT
>  > To: George Lee <georgeleejr at gmail.com>
>  > Cc: framework-team at lists.plone.org
>  > Subject: Re: [Framework-Team] Re: WebDAV changes
>  >
>  > On Feb 24, 2008, at 9:51 PM, George Lee wrote:
>  >
>  >> P.S. I think that as a matter of process it make sense that a
>  >> release manager can make / ask for a major revert for time's sake,
>  >> but that the framework team should then speak up on that because
>  >> ultimately it's supposed to be their decision and what they're
>  >> accountable for.
>  >
>  > no, not really.  the framework team's job is to review and give
>  > recommendations to the release manager.  the decision to merge or
>  > not to merge (or revert for that matter) is made by the release
>  > manager, though.
>  >
>  > cheers,
>  >
>  >
>  > andi
>  >
>  > ps: also see http://plone.org/development/teams/framework/faq
>  1) <http://plone.org/development/teams/framework/framework-team>
>  states that
>  > The Framework team is only responsible to accept/reject PLIPs
>  -- to me, that sounds like decision making ;)

but of something completely different.

>  OK so the preceding paragraphs, and <http://plone.org/development/
>  teams/framework/faq>, are more explicit, but <http://plone.org/
>  development/teams/framework/framework-team> in its entirety could be
>  misinterpreted.

framework team was never intended to make any decisions beyond
recommendations to the release manager on what to include in a
release.  This was part of the big reason to choose new members after
making the recommendation so the community would not mistake the power
of the framework team as extending beyond making recommendations and
acting as the gatekeeper for plips and the code associated with them.
  Choosing new members frees up FWT members to work on the release
without any confusion by the wider community about them still making
decisions about what goes in release.

the framework team wasn't intended to be a primary decision making
body, but to aid to the release manager, who can take or leave what
the framework team recommends and has the latitude to make any
necessary decisions outside of those recommendation.

it seems this time around time obligations for review were a bit of a
problem. for next, I want to bring up an old option, the external
review. As long as the FWT makes sure someone relatively unbiased
reviewed the PLIP and voted on it, it didn't matter who did the
reviewing.  the main thing is someone conscientiously looks at the
code and writes a coherent review.    Maybe next time around it would
be worthwhile to line up a few extras ahead of time to review code in
case of life offline happening ;)



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