[Framework-Team] Re: WebDAV changes

Tom Lazar lists at tomster.org
Sun Feb 24 17:53:26 UTC 2008

as a member of the framework team (and as somebody who co-reviewed  
sidnei's bundle) i feel the need to speak up.

sidnei, i understand your frustration but please consider the following:

  * your bundle was one of the most complex ones submitted (certainly  
the one with the largest impact)
  * each reviewer cautioned against unconditional acceptance of this  
plip due to the fact that it was difficult to review
  * each reviewer pointed out several issues that require addressing,  
which haven't been addressed yet.
  * each reviewer came to the conclusion that the current status of  
the bundle does not satisfy the 'OOTB working webdav' claim of the plip
  * instead we said, let's include the bundle for the benefits that it  
brings and then finish it for 3.2

if wiggy, as release manager, now finds that there are bugs in the  
code that actually make things *worse* than before i'm afraid i have  
to agree with his decision.

this is certainly nothing personal against you. i'm only pointing this  
out, because it appears to me that you are disgruntled.

you are free to blame the framework team, including myself, for not  
having caught the bugs that wiggy now has, but then again, there  
really was no clear testcase against which to test your bundle (you  
certainly didn't provide anything along those lines) and eventhough  
each reviewer approached it from a different angle it just proved not  
to be enough.

personally, i'm glad the bugs were found *now*, i.e. before the betas  
and i can only urge you to hang in there for 3.2; i would like to  
offer to review the bundle again for 3.2 (which we will start working  
on pretty much straight away after 3.1 is released) and to work more  
closely with you. i think the work you're doing for webdav is  
important and i have a personal interest to have working webdav.

i hope this can ease things a bit for you.

all the best,


On 24.02.2008, at 18:19, Sidnei da Silva wrote:

> On Sun, Feb 24, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Wichert Akkerman  
> <wichert at wiggy.net> wrote:
>> I've just reverted the WebDAV changes from Sidnei after playing a  
>> bit with
>> them.
> What?!?
>> I did this for two reasons:
>> Hanno had some very good remarks that need to be addressed
> And there's nothing that prevents them from being addressed other  
> than time?
>> I tested the 3.1 tree with just Calendaring removed. Some testing  
>> there
>> quickly revealed that there are other things broken: the default  
>> frontpage
>> for a Plone site is no longer created properly this made me feel  
>> that at
>> this moment the implementation of this PLIP is note quite mature  
>> enough.
> How does that relate to the changes I made? Please provide more  
> details.
>> We
>> have too much happening in the 3.1 tree at the moment to work on it  
>> there,
>> so this should mature a bit more before we merge it again.
> I find that completely unfair. You have not provided any clear reason
> why it should be reverted. I can't see from your email how the
> frontpage is related to WebDAV changes. I am quickly losing any
> interest I had in getting those changes merged. At best, you should
> have asked *me* to revert the changes.
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