[Framework-Team] Suggestion for more a better streamlined process?

Tom Lazar lists at tomster.org
Mon Feb 18 12:41:13 UTC 2008

On 18.02.2008, at 11:41, Martin Aspeli wrote:

> Thanks Danny,
> There have been various good ideas about how to improve the process. I
> think right now we need to focus on finishing the release, but we
> should definitely capture the lessons learned afterwards and write up
> a clearer process, including some guidance on appropriate tools.

i second this. let's first get this baby (3.1) out the door! ;-)

i, too, have (of course) some ideas that have arisen over the past few  
weeks and will write them up... *after* 3.1 is finished...

> Matt Bowen has volunteered to help drive this, and Andreas and others
> (including me) want to help here as well.

+1 me, too. i also want to definitley stay on for 3.2, as well, which  
will then have a much more streamlined process.

but for now i will keep my energies on getting 3.1 done. speaking of  
which... plip187 is still beckoning ;)



> Martin
> On 18/02/2008, Danny Bloemendaal <danny.bloemendaal at informaat.nl>  
> wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I have been thinking (yes, I try that occasionally) and I must say
>> that we really need some sort of better tooling for the entire review
>> process. It is all too scattered if you ask me. I really don't know
>> where I have to find what I need to know for reviewing. Plone.org,
>> track, svn, plone-devevelopers@, framework-team@ etc etc,  I need one
>> place where I can find everything there is to know:
>> * which releases are there and
>> * which plips do we have to review for this release
>> * which deadlines are there
>> * who are the reviewers (ok, not so necessary but for  
>> completeness...)
>> * discussion threads for each plip during the review in ONE PLACE
>> * status overview of the review process
>> * instructions per plip on how to checkout, review, what to look  
>> for etc
>> * ....
>> It may sound like 'cursing in the church' (pardon my dutch) but many
>> of the modern forum tools out there already allow you to do all this.
>> You could set it up where each release is a forum with some sticky
>> posts listing the plips with urls to the plip definition and threads
>> for each plip in the release. Then each plip can have it's own
>> discussion. We could add a few sticky posts with process status and
>> other information needed for each release and each plip. Given the  
>> low
>> amount of plips per release I think that a forum isn't so bad. The
>> problem with Trac is that you always have to do queries to get to the
>> data you need and you never know if you haven't missed anything. I
>> always have a feeling of drowning in Trac-like tools.
>> It may seem strange to suggest this but at least we don't have to re-
>> invent something ourselves. It's easy to set up and I even think that
>> ploneboard should support this from the start. I certainly would
>> volunteer (with some help) to set up such a board or... when people
>> have even better ideas, to help implement that. In any way, we have  
>> to
>> improve on this and I really don't think it is hard to do :))
>> Danny.
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