[Framework-Team] Re: PLIP discussion summary

whit whit at longnow.org
Fri Oct 28 20:01:55 UTC 2005

Alec Mitchell wrote:

>	Thanks for volunteering to put a document together. 
thank you for such a nice concise summary of your views.  i'm forwarding 
this back out to the rest of the list.

>Here is a summary of the 
>discussion from my point of view:
>100 (Selenium):  -1 No urgent need for integration into plone core.  The 3rd 
>party framework works and and will continue to do so.  People can write 
>selenium tests for plone and their own products easily without selenium being 
>directly integrated into plone.
>102 (PlonePAS):  +1 This is very much needed as GRUF is inflexible and 
>unmaintained.  However, we need to ensure that migration from existing GRUF 
>(and pre-GRUF) instances is well supported.
>105 (Views in Plone): +1 To the concept.  Though this PLIP is not something 
>that will result in specific code which needs to be reviewed and approved 
>(except perhaps the global_defines stuff), it does outline one of the major 
>goals of the 2.2 release.  Without this 2.2 is a bit meaningless.
>106 (Views for Nav elements):  +1 this could potentially result in some 
>speedup, and allows for reimplementation of some of the cruftier code in 
>plone.  We need to flesh out what the new view-ified portlet architecture 
>will look like, because we are going to be stuck with it, the PlonePortlets 
>folks should certainly be included, as I'm sure they have opinions on this.
>107 (Five based navtree): +1 The current usage of an AT schema element to 
>determine navigation visibility is hacky and is a really bad example of 
>mixing content with presentation (both Tiran and I argued against this 
>originally, but the UI folks won out).  I am not at all familiar with 
>MenuGenerator, and what it provides, or how exactly we will make this 
>dependency soft.  A cursory look makes me think that it is a complex (though 
>nice) bit of code to be bringing in just to make one tree display.
>108 (zope3 i18n): +1 Hannosch has done great work here, and there are many 
>compelling reasons to go in this direction, and the downsides are minimal.

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