[Evangelism] Austin fiasco

[T. Kim Nguyen]

Thanks Nate :) Yeah, we moved almost all the lists and discussion over to https://community.plone.org. Do you want to post this link there and start a discussion thread?

	Kim

> On Jan 24, 2018, at 8:20 PM, Nate Aune <natea at jazkarta.com> wrote:
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> I don't know if this list is still alive/active, but I just came across this post and thought it was interesting to share how the City of Austin has evolved their thinking about a CMS solution:
> https://medium.com/@mateoclarke/open-source-city-cms-part-1-607a58b32356 <https://medium.com/@mateoclarke/open-source-city-cms-part-1-607a58b32356>
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> On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Dylan Jay <djay at pretaweb.com <mailto:djay at pretaweb.com>> wrote:
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> On 21/12/2009, at 12:28 PM, Dylan Jay wrote:
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> ...
> Another take home idea from this: if your government is putting out tenders that exclude opensource and Plone specifically, creating waves can get results. Especially if you can link it to jobs going elsewhere.
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> My use of the words "creating waves" is a little too strong for what I meant. The way in which we and others in opensource here have done this is to talk to those in government about removing requirements in their procurement processes that specifically excluded opensource solutions. Government to some extent have been responsive to this. This has taken a long time and is really just about helping them understand that other models exist and they can get significant benefits by considering them fairly along with their existing solutions. Governments respond to the concept of openness and fairness (and some may respond to the concept of local jobs but that hasn't been our experience). They respond precisely because they want to avoid what happened in Austin.
> I didn't mean to suggest what those Austin guys did was the right way of going about it. If the tender has been written it's generally too late to do anything.
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> On 18/12/2009, at 6:13 PM, Matt Hamilton wrote:
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> Mark,
> What is the best way of us handling this? That article makes some harsh comments about Plone. If Plone were some large corporate I would imagine that lawyers would be swinging into action now.
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> Do we want to publish some kind of official statement in response? Or privately contact that newspaper and ask them to retract their comment. It is a quote though so I don't know legal standing. Or do we just keep our head down and not draw attention to it?
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> http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/local-firm-to-start-city-web-site-redesign-129437.html <http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/local-firm-to-start-city-web-site-redesign-129437.html>
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> -Matt
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