[Evangelism] Looking for talking points comparing Plone vs. Wordpress

[Carol Ganz]

Ken,

Thanks for sharing, the info is definitely helpful.

Thanks,
Carol



On 10/25/12 10:07 AM, ctxlken wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> 
> I attended a WordCamp in Chicago just a couple months ago.  I have lots 
> of notes regarding common plugins used, load-testing, caching tools 
> commonly used, etc., but in terms of the main Plone v WordPress 
> differences, I noticed these:
> 
> WP conferences have a lot more focus on the end user, on 
> marketing/commercial sites, and on SEO topics than Plone events.
> 
> WP developers/hosters spend a lot of time fighting security 
> vulnerabilities and their server IP being blacklisted (since it's 
> typical for a WP site to be on the same server as 100 other WP sites) - 
> a LOT!  And it scares the hell out of the marketing/management people at 
> these events to hear so much conversation about 'How do you guys fight 
> this?' from one dev to the other.
> 
> As with many tools, some of the 'cool factor' features of WP need to be 
> disabled, if you want to have a secure site, evidently, such as the 
> 'Plugin Editor', in particular.
> 
> WP still has limited workflow capabilities and there is no built-in 
> global dashboard of security settings, where you click on/off checkboxes 
> to give fine-grained permissions.  And most add-ons don't register 
> specific permissions to be managed from some general security settings 
> dashboard, though I did hear of some plugin that purports to handle 
> this, but again, if the other plugins don't even think that you'll be 
> managing permissions so much, they tend to not define said permissions 
> to do fine-grained things - they're usually very general permissions, as 
> in 'Admin' who gets to do everything, 'Viewer', and 'Editor' - some user 
> in between who can maybe edit a post, but not remove them, etc.
> 
> I did see a talk on using a script to set fine-grained permissions, 
> since there is no good UI for doing so, but again, it's still dependent 
> on the plugins defining fine-grained permissions, so that you can set 
> permissions at a more granular level, and many plugins don't do that.
> 
> Many of the top, most useful WP plugins are commercial.  Many people use 
> something called 'Jetpack'.  But I got the impression that to use some 
> of its better features, you needed to have your WP site hosted on one of 
> their preferred hosting vendors.  Don't take my word for that, though.
> 
> Many WP plugins provide really neat features, but have really poor 
> performing queries that can drag your site down (e.g., 'Smart Tags' that 
> makes a matrix of keywords-to-tags or something and performs some 
> horrible multi-table-join queries in doing so.)  Users tend to just keep 
> adding more and more plugins to try things out and never remove them, 
> slowing down their site (with the mere existence of those plugins in 
> place.)  This is true with Plone too, but not to the same extent, since 
> with WP, installing a new plugin is a simple point-and-click - no 
> restart of any services, usually.
> 
> Hopefully, some of this helps.  Thanks for "representin'" Plone! It's 
> good for us to go to these  types of events to see how we stack up.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/25/12 8:26 AM, Ed Manlove-2 [via Plone] wrote:
>> I'm attending a local WordCamp [1] in a couple of days - proudly wearing
>> my Plone T-Shirt - and wanted to brush up on my Plone vs. WordPress
>> talking points.  All of my Plone work has either been on my own project
>> or within Plone core (RTL, UI testing, i18n, etc) so I've never really
>> looked outwards too closely. I going to do some searching around but
>> wanted to see if anyone, in particular our Plone development shops, have
>> any notes when they talk/work with customers on showing the value of
>> Plone as compared to Wordpress.  Thanks.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> [1] http://2012.providence.wordcamp.org/
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