[Evangelism] CMS smackdown

Dylan Jay djay at pretaweb.com
Mon May 28 23:07:01 UTC 2012

On 29/05/2012, at 7:41 AM, Dylan Jay wrote:

> Take a look at http://www.slideshare.net/djay/plone-pwns
> for positives. Personally I'd go for security and permissions model  
> even for a technical group.

Actually there are two slides in there that need explaining.
The key point about the w2tech market share slide is plone enjoys high  
market share in the top 100,000 sites. This graph is old, the latest  
now shows Plone above drupal for larger sites. The important point is  
that this explains why many people won't have heard of Plone. Using an  
expression I stole from the drupal community, Plone is truely "the  
elevator that goes all the way up".
The point about realstory map slide is that Plone is the ONLY single  
product that features in three categories. All the others are large  
vendors with multiple products, such as MS, Adobe etc. No other open  
source CMS does this. This attests to Plone's flexibility. The fact  
that it gets used widely for both internets and public websites also  
shows it's flexibiliy. Again it is the elevator that goes all the way  
up. "Don't get stuck when your needs outgrow your CMS".

With regard to security I think the @lulsec slide is really powerful.  
Both fbi.gov and cia.gov sites would have been targeted heavily.  
Neither were hacked. If they could have hacked them they would have.  
Both are Plone.
The stats on vulnerabilities vs Drupal etc you have to be careful  
about as you have to show that Plone is widely used and exposed  
otherwise they will dismiss them thinking incorrectly that the  
vulnerabilities do exist in Plone undetected.

Hope that helps.

> For negatives perhaps not enough emphasis on ttw as talked about in http://djay.posterous.com/template-customisations-are-evil 
>  but which is being remedied with the three d's.
> Or that it's democratic nature makes new ideas slow to get done  
> however that's really a good thing as it means a single company  
> can't drive product down a dead end by jumping on a band wagon.
> I agree with a armin that negatives should be positives in disguise.  
> Everyone else will do that :)
> Dylan Jay
> Technical solution manager
> PretaWeb 99552830
> On 29/05/2012, at 1:04 AM, Matt Hamilton <matth at netsight.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>   I'm going to be representing Plone at a fairly informal local  
>> event, BathCamp who are running a CMS Smackdown:
>> http://bathcamp.org/events/cms-smackdown/
>> I've got 10 minutes to talk about 5 things I love about Plone and 5  
>> things I hate. I'm up against 7 other CMSs. So I'm trying to think  
>> of my list of things. Many of the people at the event will  
>> generally be techies, so I won't be afraid to talk about some of  
>> the technical aspects. However the bit I'm struggling with is  
>> coming up with 5 things I hate ;) I'm hoping to mention how we are  
>> improving the things I hate
>> So my draft list so far:
>> 5 Things I love about Plone:
>> - The Community (international events, people, etc)
>> - Buildout + Deployment (dev.cfg -> staging.cfg -> live.cfg,  
>> versioning eggs etc)
>> - The ZODB (pervasive data store… no need to think SQL etc)
>> - Diazo (Great way to theme sites + demo)
>> - Python [1]
>> 5 Things I hate about Plone:
>> - Legacy (talk about ripping out stuff, Zope 4 etc)
>> - Documentation (talk about the swamp of old docs, but point out  
>> good new stuff eg. Developer Manual)
>> - Perception by Python developers (that is is old hat and boring:  
>> point out it does its job well and is mature)
>> - Everything in the catalog (talk about navigation using it etc.  
>> Point out move to parent pointers, use of Solr etc)
>> - Too easy to shoot yourself in the foot performance-wise (i.e., as  
>> ZODB is pervasive, you can accidentally load every object in the  
>> ZODB or mutate things you don't mean to).
>> Any thoughts on this list? Any other good viewpoints, ideas?  
>> Bearing in mind I have just two minutes per point!
>> -Matt
>> [1] Great quote from colleague: "When I used to program in Java I  
>> used to first think how to solve the problem, then I had to think  
>> how to code that in Java. With Python I think how to solve the  
>> problem, then just write it"
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