[Evangelism] PyCon Japan 2012 and Plone

Wed May 23 07:38:51 UTC 2012

On 23/05/2012, at 4:19 PM, Mark A Corum wrote:

> I think the idea of a contest to drive new users to Plone is a good  
> one.  But trophies? Not good.  I work at a university and work with  
> students every week with campaigns.  They see trophies as a joke -  
> artifacts of old time thinking with about as much attractiveness as  
> an eight track or cassette tape.  Please don't date Plone as old and  
> tired in this way.
>
> When dealing with competitors to whom acceptance means jobs, money,  
> etc - this is just a bit weak.  There are much better, more forward  
> thinking ways to recognize excellent work.  We should do this - but  
> in a BIG way with some serious recognition.
>
> Naming releases after beers is a non-starter because of copyrights.   
> The joke only works when you use actual beer names - and sadly that  
> is a copyright licensing issue. While I'm glad this April Fool's  
> joke has taken on a life of its own, beer naming works for developer  
> culture - and doesn't work for corporate, education or many foreign  
> cultures which attach negative connotations to alcohol. Armin is  
> right on that one. Alienating potential users is not a good idea,and  
> really doesn't profit us in a significant way.
>
> Likewise, galaxies lack personality and individuality.  Few people  
> can name a galaxy if you show them a picture of it - and why would  
> Plone Andromeda be thought of differently than Plone Large  
> Magellanic Cloud or M-102.  Apple release names tie features and  
> themes to big cat personalities - and Ubuntu names are loaded with  
> personality by pairing a descriptor with their animals.  Effective  
> non-number releases need to be sensible and descriptive to non- 
> developers.  And they need to be memorable and cross-cultural.

Since it's python we could use snake names. Plone cobra. Plone  
Anaconda. Plone Boa etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_by_common_name 
)
Previously there was a suggestion of famous beaches. That makes  
international which is nice. Plone Brighton, Plone Bondi, Plone Del  
Mar, Plone Ventura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_beaches)
Alteration can sounds good so a theme of words starting with P?

Not sure if either of these suggestions are cool enough though.

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> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Armin Stroß-Radschinski <developer at acsr.de 
> > wrote:
> Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in  
> the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco  
> Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer  
> support can bring up! We need such successful people talk more about  
> their involvement.
>
> Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys  
> by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the  
> celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event  
> (at least look like!)
>
> To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good  
> photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-)  
> waving! We were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants  
> each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!
>
> Armin
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> Am 22.05.2012 um 19:23 schrieb Maurizio Delmonte:
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> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton  
> <matth at netsight.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for  
> pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
> It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to  
> the python community.
> I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved  
> with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger  
> community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python  
> community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
> Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.
>
> Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a  
> load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted  
> were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
>
> actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions  
> both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares  
> "professional content management with Python in 2012"..
>
> both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they  
> were short in proposals ;)
>
> Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence  
> at Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/ 
>  and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech  
> unrelated and the other from me..)
>
> I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make  
> people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve  
> them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
>
> I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try  
> to attract devs using other channels, universities being a good  
> alternative to me.
> Let's inspire more people to do this!
>
> Maurizio
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