[Evangelism] PyCon Japan 2012 and Plone

Mark A Corum markcorum at gmail.com
Wed May 23 06:19:57 UTC 2012

I think the idea of a contest to drive new users to Plone is a good one.
 But trophies? Not good.  I work at a university and work with students
every week with campaigns.  They see trophies as a joke - artifacts of old
time thinking with about as much attractiveness as an eight track or
cassette tape.  Please don't date Plone as old and tired in this way.

When dealing with competitors to whom acceptance means jobs, money, etc -
this is just a bit weak.  There are much better, more forward thinking ways
to recognize excellent work.  We should do this - but in a BIG way with
some serious recognition.

Naming releases after beers is a non-starter because of copyrights.  The
joke only works when you use actual beer names - and sadly that is a
copyright licensing issue. While I'm glad this April Fool's joke has taken
on a life of its own, beer naming works for developer culture - and doesn't
work for corporate, education or many foreign cultures which attach
negative connotations to alcohol. Armin is right on that one. Alienating
potential users is not a good idea,and really doesn't profit us in a
significant way.

Likewise, galaxies lack personality and individuality.  Few people can name
a galaxy if you show them a picture of it - and why would Plone Andromeda
be thought of differently than Plone Large Magellanic Cloud or M-102.
 Apple release names tie features and themes to big cat personalities - and
Ubuntu names are loaded with personality by pairing a descriptor with their
animals.  Effective non-number releases need to be sensible and descriptive
to non-developers.  And they need to be memorable and cross-cultural.


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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Armin Stroß-Radschinski
<developer at acsr.de>wrote:

> Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in the
> upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco Pellegrini are
> excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer support can bring up!
> We need such successful people talk more about their involvement.
> Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys by
> special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the
> celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event (at
> least look like!)
> To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good photos
> and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-) waving! We
> were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants each time for
> nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!
> Armin
> Am 22.05.2012 um 19:23 schrieb Maurizio Delmonte:
>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton <matth at netsight.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
>>> pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
>>> It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the
>>> python community.
>>> I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved with
>>> the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community than plone
>>> itself. It makes me think that if the python community aren't fans of
>>> Plone, then where are our fans?
>>> Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.
>> Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a load
>> of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted were the
>> ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
>> actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions both
>> Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares "professional
>> content management with Python in 2012"..
>> both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they were
>> short in proposals ;)
>> Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence at
>> Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/**
>> p3/schedule/ep2012/ <https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/>and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech
>> unrelated and the other from me..)
>> I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make
>> people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve them well
>> (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
>> I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try to
>> attract devs using other channels, universities being a good alternative to
>> me.
>> Let's inspire more people to do this!
>> Maurizio
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