[Evangelism] PyCon Japan 2012 and Plone
Dylan Jay
djay at pretaweb.com
Wed May 23 00:39:36 UTC 2012
On 23/05/2012, at 7:22 AM, Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.] wrote:
> +1
>
> Maybe Mark Corum can post the link to his beer-branded release names
> PLIP (originally, an April Fool's joke) ? I think it was gathering
> steam as a real PLIP last I looked.
>
> I vote for Plone 5 - Barnstormer (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5049/13084/?ba=hunteraw
> ), which was my favorite ale at the Bristol Plone conf. :)
>
> We'd have to also be sure to not have conflicting numbers included
> in release names. As I recall from my Java days, it was a real mess
> explaining that JDK 2 actually included Java 1.2 or some such mess.
+10 for named major releases. However I think beer names has with
copyright?
In terms of attracting developers I think this is a fantastic idea. I
have a theory that popularity of frameworks can be attributed at least
20% to it's name. Sounds crazy but consider this: no matter how cool a
technology each one of us is going to feel some reluctance
recommending it to a friend over beer if the name is boring or worse,
embarrassing. Ruby on Rails, Flask, Bottle... all cool names. Zope,
Ice cream sandwich... not so much :)
This is our opportunity to modernise and make Plone part of a name
which is cool.
Plone 5 is also a game changer. Diazo and Deco is going to change
Plone into one the best through the web site creation tools around I
believe. Maybe Plone 4.3 could be Plone Diazo because of the theming
editor, and Plone 5 be Plone Deco?
>
> -Ken
>
>
> On 5/22/12 4:06 PM, Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker wrote:
>>
>> Could it also be that Plone has been marketed as "Plone v1, v2, v3,
>> v4" for 10 years and that has very little appeal?
>>
>> As a marketing-driven company, Apple understood this phenomenon
>> very well and, instead, rolled out "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow
>> Leopard", "Lion"... unveiling each version as a totally new
>> product. This allowed them to leverage totally different marketing
>> campaigns and keep the public interested.
>>
>> Can we orchestrate a grand new product launch for Plone 5 under a
>> different marketing name (but keep the Plone name as the umbrella
>> brand)?
>>
>> Gabrielle
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>> On May 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.] wrote:
>>
>>> +1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing
>>> committee and/or Board?
>>>
>>> On 5/22/12 2:03 PM, Armin Stroß-Radschinski wrote:
>>>> Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition
>>>> in the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco
>>>> Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good
>>>> newcomer support can bring up! We need such successful people
>>>> talk more about their involvement.
>>>>
>>>> Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new
>>>> guys by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course!
>>>> Then the celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable
>>>> media event (at least look like!)
>>>>
>>>> To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up
>>>> good photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem
>>>> (for me ;-) waving! We were running pupil contests with around
>>>> 5000 participants each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in
>>>> the drawer!
>>>>
>>>> Armin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 22.05.2012 um 19:23 schrieb Maurizio Delmonte:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton <matth at netsight.co.uk
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks
>>>>>> for pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two
>>>>>> rejected.
>>>>>> It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship
>>>>>> to the python community.
>>>>>> I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly
>>>>>> involved with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much
>>>>>> larger community than plone itself. It makes me think that if
>>>>>> the python community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our
>>>>>> fans?
>>>>>> Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There
>>>>> were a load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only
>>>>> ones accepted were the ones that did not mention Plone in the
>>>>> title.
>>>>>
>>>>> actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions
>>>>> both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares
>>>>> "professional content management with Python in 2012"..
>>>>>
>>>>> both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that
>>>>> they were short in proposals ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile
>>>>> presence at Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/
>>>>> and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very
>>>>> tech unrelated and the other from me..)
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to
>>>>> make people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could
>>>>> serve them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
>>>>>
>>>>> I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should
>>>>> try to attract devs using other channels, universities being a
>>>>> good alternative to me.
>>>>> Let's inspire more people to do this!
>>>>>
>>>>> Maurizio
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.it.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Ai sensi del d.lgs. 196 del 30 giugno 2003, recante disposizioni
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>>>>
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