[Plone-com] Contribute to Plone.com Content – comparing Plone vs. Others etc.

Armin Stroß-Radschinski developer at acsr.de
Sun Nov 25 16:15:12 UTC 2012

Hi Ed,
Hi Greg,
Hi Dylan,
Hi Ken,
Hi Antonio,
thanks Ed for reporting from the WP event, and distilling it down to  
your conclusions cited below.

As you know, we are working on content for the new Plone.com site. I  
try to catch you five personally with priority because you showed up  
for this (except AM). You can find the current state (prior to  
announcement for further discussion, but not ready, ignore obvious  


My questions leading to Plone vs. Others content
When thinking to simplify the amount of work to get a reasonable  
result I figured out it may help to focus on point D. mentioned below:
"A more FAQ like Plone vs. OtherProduct comparison"

There is one important topic, "Plone features and Extensibility"  
compared to other systems.
I want a simple to catch visual approach to get the amount of quality  
behind Plone there!

This should finally look like something in the direction of this:

My question now: How can we make you work together on this particular  
part, to get a fast result, with easy workflow?

Join the work

We use the "Plone vs. Others Content" list on a new Trello board to  
manage this topic:
please take your invitations as soon as possible. But first read on  
here. Then lets fill the task checklists in Trello together... I am  
happy to answer every related question fast!

Give a good feeling with Plone!

There are so much comparison tools in the web that try to cover every  
feature, but they drive you crazy. We need not to provide a full  
featured directory on Plone.com. We have the visitor already there! We  
need to impress people already looking for Plone and give feedback  
that they are right!

It can be reduced to 5 Groups of 5 questions each, where we can look  
at existing material and just anwer by setting a checkmark for Plone  
and rate the other system against. I would like to ask you personally  
to take a task and finalize it within some weeks.

What are your / your tasks?

I did some thinking if some of you could take one or more of the tasks  
partially or in full. If you contribute to make significant progress,  
it will be a signal to jump in for others as well.

can focus the questions for Point D.

can fill in the crosses for SP (and maybe Alfresco)

Greg and Ed
can fill in the crosses for WP and work on figuring out since which  
versions Plone or foreign systems supported a feature.

Others to ask

Drupal can be managed e.g. by someone from SixFeetUp (Clayton? who can  
do this Carol?) connected with Dylan.

Other blogging platforms?
We only should focus systems that are misused as a CMS can be easily  
added from contributors as well.

Try to use existing JS tools like the eea.daviz plugin to visualize  
the result and plan to create the matrix in Gdocs in a way that you  
just need to plug the result into our content.

Do you know someone to step in and contribute for this?

The Comparision full vision is too much

Here is an overview over the topic "Comparision" as a whole to keep in  
mind what we may need later and should be kept for reuse, but is  
mostly too heavy for now!

Splitting the job into more easy and more sophisticated parts, so we  
can start fast, get results and refine later.
	A. Collecting almost full feature comparison table (Grouped by  
technical categories and tags to enable collections by applying a  
vertical market filter)
	B. Features provided by the core of Plone (using columns to mark the  
Plone release/version the feature comes up)
	C. Features that can be implemented with well supported AddOns (The  
unuseful "not maintained since over one year on Plone.org is contrary  
to "old code is good code")
	D. A more FAQ like Plone vs. myProduct comparison: Using questions  
asking for common needs of customers during a CMS lifetime
	E. Cross-Linking with an App-Shop like presentation of Plone Add-ons  
like here: http://www.getharvest.com/add-ons

Why asking you?

What you are doing for some time as far as I know:

- Dylan Jay is looking for USPs to grab parts of the WP market that  
are ready for "leaving the sector".
- Ken Wasetis did awesome work preparing his talk in Arnhem to compare  
Plone vs. SP.
- Greg O'Toole started to work on doing a feature comparison table  
including WP in Google Docs.

other existing work:

- Matt Hamilton started a feature list in Google Docs.
- /Me Armin Stroß-Radschinski started a feature comparison database  
comparing Typo3 to Plone 2 years ago (but I did not invest further  
because it is german market centric and there are other points to  

Am 25.11.2012 um 01:17 schrieb Ed Manlove:

>> I'm attending a local WordCamp [1] in a couple of days - proudly  
>> wearing
>> my Plone T-Shirt - and wanted to brush up on my Plone vs. WordPress
>> talking points.  All of my Plone work has either been on my own  
>> project
>> or within Plone core (RTL, UI testing, i18n, etc) so I've never  
>> really
>> looked outwards too closely. I going to do some searching around but
>> wanted to see if anyone, in particular our Plone development shops,  
>> have
>> any notes when they talk/work with customers on showing the value of
>> Plone as compared to Wordpress.  Thanks.
>> Ed
>> [1]http://2012.providence.wordcamp.org/
> Here is a belated report from my day at WordCamp Providence [1]. I  
> was attending as regular participate interested in some technology  
> topics and in, more so, the local community and their use of  
> WordPress.  I wasn't giving a talk this time around. Here are some  
> of the highlights of the day...
> The first talk I attended, a talk about use of WordPress within  
> academia, was given by a trio of people from The Harrington School  
> of Communication and Media at URI. What struck me most was Miss  
> Lukovics talk on her use of WordPress for her student portfolio.   
> Their talk reminded me of Jim Groom's keynote at PSUEast2012 [2].  I  
> passed on the url for PSUEast and Jim's talk to the director at the  
> Harrington School.
> The second talk I attended was given by Jess Jurick entitled  
> "Writing Tools for WordPress". Among the themes that stood out was  
> the need for publishing workflows and writer management. There was a  
> fair amount talk about drafts.  Most of this functionality it seemed  
> came from third-party add-ons instead of Plone's built-in workflow,  
> permissions, scheduled publishing. Concerning wysiwyg editiors the  
> NY Times' ICE editor was mentioned.
> The one sole tech talk I attended, "Debugging, Testing, Security,  
> Performance", was given by John James Jacoby.  John works for  
> Automattic, the company behind WordPress.com, and is also the lead  
> BuddyPress (WordPress-powered social networks?) and bbPress  
> (bulletin board, forum add-on for WP?) developer. John flew through  
> his slides and hit various topics. Since I am neither a WordPress  
> developer nor did I need intimate details I had few take-aways from  
> his talk. Mostly is that WordPress security is difficult to  
> implement and difficult to keep strong and that debugging in php is  
> hard (but apparently getting better).
> Brad Parson gave an interesting talk on responsive design. As far as  
> I could tell Brad is more developer then designer but much of his  
> advice was in sync with what Jen Robbins had said during an earlier  
> talk at a different web designer meetup. One topic he brought up,  
> lack of web-based responsive design advertisements, is being  
> addressed by a local startup, Pennant - http://pennant.co/, that I  
> was introduced to at another startup incubator launch night.  
> (Apparently I'm seeing/attending a lot of responsive design at local  
> tech meetings...)
> I attend a few more talks covering topics of entrepreneurship and  
> WordPress themes. I talked with a few people but no one who was  
> doing an evaluation of CMSes.  It seemed as if most people were  
> using WordPress for basic sites with blogs and a few other pages  
> with information (About pages, basic portfolios, etc) and a fair  
> amount of novice users. This was what I was expecting and I do want  
> to thank everyone who offered suggestions for Plone vs. X talking  
> points. I plan on continuing attending local events and talking  
> about Plone. If anyone has any question on my interactions or  
> thoughts on the WordCamp Providence event please ask.
> Ed
> [1] http://2012.providence.wordcamp.org/
> [2] http://weblion.psu.edu/news/jim-groom-to-keynote-at-pse12
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