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Mon Sep 17 18:06:01 UTC 2012

Hi Julian,

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Julian Coyne <julian.coyne at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Alex and Maurizio,
>
> I have some good news to report following my email from last week.
>

Great!

>
> *Theme
> *I met with our designer after my email and we made a start on a
> responsive design concept for Plone.com which we are both feeling pretty
> good about. Maurizio I read your email from yesterday and wasn't sure about
> what it meant either, so I guess we will wait until tomorrow to hear back
> on whether we are doubling up on work here.
>
> If we need to make some serious progress, we should be able to commit some
> time later this week and make a concerted push toward getting a solid
> concept delivered for review next week. Matt (our designer) is heading to
> the US for a 5 week holiday starting on the 28th (next Friday), and I've
> flagged with him that we may need to squeeze this in before he departs.
>
> Alex/Maurizio could you let me know whether we should progress this?
>

I suggest we consider all serious theme attempts. A serious theme attempt
is demonstrated in one (or more) of several ways:

   - daily communication re: status (trello, email, irc)
   - commits to the collective
   - delivery of tangible results (ideally something we can ship with the
   plonecom.buildout immediately for everyone to see)

Whilst I cannot guarantee your theme will be used (I'll leave that to the
BDFL, or a vote perhaps), if anyone else is seriously contemplating a theme
contribution, they are free to voice their intentions on this list.

However I can tell you I'd very much appreciate someone else joining the
"daily team"[1] to address our theme concerns.

Alex

[1] I.e. someone willing to a.) lead the theme efforts b.) report daily on
the progress of the theme efforts

>
> *Content*
> I also had a scheduled meeting with the ICT manager of one of our large
> private sector clients late last week, and I randomly brought up the
> plone.com project which we then discussed at some length.
>
> We have worked with them over several years (they have been running Plone
> since 2.0.5), and I have a great deal of respect for them - so I was very
> appreciative of the opinions and insights he provided.
>
> Some of the ideas that came out of the meeting I think are absolutely
> brilliant from a decision making, internal advocacy and traditional
> marketing point-of-view.
>
> The only problem is that so far I haven't been involved on the content
> side of things at all, and I don't know if any of the ideas have been
> captured already nor whether they would fit in with the current direction
> the content is taking.
>
> I'll try to put some time aside to review the 'content' related emails
> (plus the content work-in-progress on google docs/trello/staging/wherever)
> before contributing in any detail, in order to cut down on any noise and
> just contribute what's relevant and useful. Hopefully I can get on to that
> later this week.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Julian
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Alex Clark <aclark at aclark.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 1:40 PM, Maurizio Delmonte <
>> maurizio.delmonte at abstract.it> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> thanks everyone putting effort into the plone.com project: it is and
>>> will be very appreciated by the whole community as soon as it will produce
>>> its final result!
>>> Nonetheless, we need *more* people involved! and here's why :)
>>>
>>> As usual, we were able to give a pretty early answer to the technical
>>> details of the plone.com: serving the site and let the editors do their
>>> job will not be a problem, for sure: that's why we all love Plone, right? :)
>>>
>>> We are still waiting a clear answer from André for the "visual side" of
>>> the project, but a bird told me we should have news on this by next
>>> Tuesday, let's hope it will be *the right one*.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Can you clarify what this means? It's a bit frustrating to have content
>> and infrastructure moving but nothing happening on themes (or at least,
>> nothing being reported).
>>
>>
>>
>>> In any case, it is still something we can grasp quite easily, using the
>>> plone.org theme, at least temporarily, in the worst case scenario.
>>>
>>> What I'm concerned about is content, or I'd better say, how to guide the
>>> plone.com visitors to hear them finally say:
>>> *I need this! I want to know more!*
>>>
>>> This is not easy at all, and usually demanding professional competences
>>> that are quite rare in a deeply technical community like ours.
>>>
>>> Despite this, professionals are there in our community, and what I'd
>>> love is to engage them in a *collaborative talk* around this project, at
>>> least for hearing from them. Am I a dreamer? :)
>>>
>>> Don't get me wrong :) some of these guys are already reading this mail,
>>> and they are taking action since days, but we need more of *that kind* of
>>> people involved, if not for pushing out plone.com, to let it alive
>>> later on!
>>>
>>> We don't need to "scream" around, I'd just expect that you carefully
>>> think of people you know with this kind of skills, and poke them a bit to
>>> help out with this project, showing them where we are, especially if they
>>> *care* about Plone!
>>>
>>> Shepherd them in now, it is important!
>>>
>>> Our immediate goal, as suggested by our BDFL Matt here
>>> http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/plone-com/Week-of-Mon-20120903/000060.html
>>> :
>>>
>>> to produce something *compact* and easy for us to keep up to date,
>>> maintain, and eventually translate. It is meant as a clear *What is
>>> Plone?"* and *Why Plone?* to high level decision makers.
>>>
>>> here what we are at:
>>>
>>> What is Plone - *
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rOxdWiFEvyGDT_so-aghz7Oy1PhYFJW5J_tWKbwjGag/edit
>>> *
>>> Why Plone - *
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1N2hvnIKCCT8hDb4VcmgwqXJyWl41XkGe71vQ7dlpJgQ/edit
>>> *
>>>
>>> the more competent eyes can review these, the better!
>>>
>>> here is the essence of the site, at the momento:
>>>
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1P3c3dtkr0zFLixUNxvPeLblKOK6NPNhWAex93rTY5_s/edit
>>>
>>> Also, Armin is doing a great job trying to push it forward to a "release
>>> version 2", trying to mix all the ingredients in more appetible ways,
>>> looking for that *I need this! I want to know more!* effect:
>>>
>>> Case Studies -
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IbWRwfVRiMDmjiXhZpxD3MeNlm1oNxoFhbltYnLWnLc/edit
>>> Interviews - https://trello.com/c/ZIRNjFDi
>>> Start Small Grow Big concept -
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QNuBp45hz9vtmcZljUXQBkQ4L9zWKSLNJivFKvpR6XI/edit
>>>
>>> There is more on the google docs collection, tell us (me) know your
>>> google accounts to let you in!
>>>
>>> Also, tell me if I'm loosing some important bits already there.
>>>
>>> Plone.com is a starting point, not an end point!
>>>
>>
>>
>> +1, Perhaps a wider call would be helpful? E.g. a mail to
>> plone-membership, or blog entry, or something along those lines.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Maurizio
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Maurizio Delmonte - [maurizio.delmonte at abstract.it]
>>>
>>> Abstract Open Solutions [http://www.abstract.it] - Tel:  +39 081 06 08
>>> 213
>>>
>>> *See you at the PloneConf!* [http://goo.gl/2uzeB]
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Alex Clark · http://pythonpackages.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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