<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Jon,<div>  I think the roadmap announcement could be a good chance to do some marketing around it. Although I guess we need to be careful not to come across like "For the past 10 years we had no idea what we were doing, but now we do!" ;)</div><div><br></div><div>+1 for repetition.</div><div><br></div><div>-Matt</div><div><br><div><div>On 22 Mar 2012, at 22:23, Jon Stahl wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>I think that talking about the roadmap is an important part of a<br>"state of Plone" talk.  :-)  I don't think we have any particular<br>"marketing plan" for the roadmap in mind yet (or at least I don't,<br>Mark likely has some thoughts here).  It's going to be out in public<br>(at least in draft form) as of next week, but as all things, it bears<br>endless repetition, especially at conferences.<br><br>:jon<br><br>On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Matt Hamilton <<a href="mailto:matth@netsight.co.uk">matth@netsight.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Jon,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">  Not so much feedback as such… but… Maurizio asked me to submit some kind<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">of 'State of Plone' talk for PLOG in Sorrento in May. I was actually<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">thinking that instead of me doing that as such, how about 'launching' the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">roadmap (or at least run through it, if already launched)? Ie. do a talk at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">PLOG (and maybe at PSE as well if it can be shoehorned in somewhere) in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">which the main headline points of the roadmap are put forward.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">It would need some co-ordination with Mark on the marketing front… I<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">wouldn't want to jump the gun on whatever marketing effort is planned for<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">it.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">What do you think?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">-Matt<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 22 Mar 2012, at 21:55, Jon Stahl wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Hi All-<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Just a reminder that we I agree (more accurately: I proposed and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">nobody objected) that we would complete our input on the draft Plone<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Roadmap document by tomorrow (Friday, March 23rd).  Mark Corum is<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">working on an intro, and then we are going to release this to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">wider community for feedback/discussion.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">That URL again:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rZFoR34G0vDy8oxM4jrRP3dPc_7qolghAwNtYZ4udLs/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rZFoR34G0vDy8oxM4jrRP3dPc_7qolghAwNtYZ4udLs/edit</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Even if you think this is awesome and needs nothing, it would be nice<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to hear from you at this point if we haven't already.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">:jon<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Jon Stahl <<a href="mailto:jonstahl@gmail.com">jonstahl@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Calvin, David, Geir, Martin, Mark, Matt-<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(Holy Plone braintrust, batman!)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">We made a collective promise to the community at PloneConf to draft<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and publish a real roadmap for Plone.  We've made some progress, but<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">we're stalled out close to the goal line.  This is one of those tasks<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that I think is really important for the health of the community--they<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">are counting on us to articulate where Plone is and where it's going<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">over the next few months, so that they can focus their efforts and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">communicate clearly to potential Plone users + customers.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Martin has done an all-too-typical bang-up job at putting together<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">what I think is a really solid draft.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">(<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rZFoR34G0vDy8oxM4jrRP3dPc_7qolghAwNtYZ4udLs/edit">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rZFoR34G0vDy8oxM4jrRP3dPc_7qolghAwNtYZ4udLs/edit</a>).<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> It's time for us to review/comment/edit... even if you think Martin<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">has totally 100% nailed it, we need to know that.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'd like to propose that we all commit to reviewing and commenting by<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Friday, March 23, so that we can circulate a "discussion draft" to the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">broader community no later than April 1, with some time for us to have<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a conference call in sometime in there if we find we have any<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">difficult issues to resolve.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Does that feel like a workable deadline?  How are you feeling about<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the overall effort? Are there other process steps you think we need?<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I'm happy to do anything I can to move this forward.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">cheers,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">jon<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">---<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Jon Stahl<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">MPA Candidate, Evans School of Public Affairs<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">University of Washington<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://jstahl.org">http://jstahl.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">206.226.0818<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Plone-Roadmap mailing list<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Plone-Roadmap@lists.plone.org">Plone-Roadmap@lists.plone.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-roadmap">http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-roadmap</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">NETSIGHT<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Matt Hamilton<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Technical Director<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Email<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:matth@netsight.co.uk">matth@netsight.co.uk</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Telephone<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">+44 (0) 117 909 0901<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Web<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.netsight.co.uk">www.netsight.co.uk</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Address<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">40 Berkeley Square, Clifton<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bristol BS8 1HU<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockqu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