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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Ehm...sort of:<br>
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      - PFG è basato su archetypes. Plone5, nonostante continuerà a
      portarselo dietro nel bundle, non dovrà avere dipendenze dirette
      da archetypes.<br>
      - IMHO plomino, anche se un buon prodotto, è sostanzialmente un
      "one-man-project" e si porta i suoi tipi di contenuto custom.<br>
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      ..in più mettere roba nel core è sempre una rottura perchè poi
      devi seguire tutte le policy del caso e va mantenuto.<br>
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      Discorso diverso è invece includere i suddetti, o altri, negli
      installer (unified in primis), di questo si potrebbe parlare.<br>
      <br>
      my other 2¢,<br>
      Giacomo<br>
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      On 12/06/2013 10:39 AM, Fabrizio Rota wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Una "via di mezzo" potrebbe essere includere alcuni
        prodotti come PFG, Plomino, listingviews nel core di Plone in
        modo da rendere agevole a tutti, creare un form, una piccola
        applicazione web o una vista customizzata.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno 06 dicembre 2013 09:54,
          Giacomo Spettoli <span dir="ltr"><<a
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          ha scritto:<br>
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                <div>On 12/06/2013 06:34 AM, Fabrizio Rota wrote:<br>
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                            <div>Ho trovato interessante questo video
                              della Ploneconf 20\3:<br>
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                                target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfDE2r-tLmQ&list=PLqjh1U8eZaP4QiTZlx4XFKIannYcMr_am&index=60</a><br>
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                            In particolare ho trovato interessante la
                            seconda parte, ove si propone l'approccio
                            "eggless", ovvero l'uso di pochissimi
                            prodotti (Plomino, Listingview, PFG,
                            Diazo....) in modalità TTW piuttosto che lo
                            sviluppo di prodotti ad-hoc.<br>
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                          È la prima volta che sento uno sviluppatore
                          autorevole parlare in questo modo.....<br>
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                        La lista che ne pensa?<br>
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              ho seguito quel talk e la platea era divisa tra molto
              entusiasti e molto (molto!) scettici. I principali punti
              erano:<br>
              pro:<br>
              - meno codice da mantenere e maggior velocità -> bella
              forza..<br>
              - possibilità per chiunque di smanettare -> maggiore
              coinvolgimento e crescita<br>
              <br>
              contro<br>
              - codice non versionato -> motivo che portò
              all'abbandono del primo TTW<br>
              - manutenibilità? -> Ahahah! nice try dude.<br>
              - possibilità per chiunque di smanettare -> please
              don't try this at home..<br>
              <br>
              In generale l'approcio del TTW è una cosa tornata di moda
              nella comunità plone, ma migliorata, prevedendo
              soprattutto la possibilità di exportare le modifiche e
              versionarle e/o continuare a sviluppare da fs (à la
              dexterity per intenderci)<br>
              <br>
              Nonostante il sogno sia questo, la pratica al momento è
              ben diversa e l'approcio di Dylan mi è sembrato troppo
              reckless:<br>
              <br>
              1- Cosa succede quando devi passare da una versione di
              plone alla successiva? <br>
              2- Cosa succede se ci sono modifiche condivise e qualcuno
              fa il furbetto cercando di scaricare le responsabilità?<br>
              3- E se una funzionalità sviluppata deve essere portata su
              un'altro sistema e/o pubblicata?<br>
              <br>
              In tutti questi casi è il classico bagno di sangue..<br>
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              my 2¢,<br>
              Giacomo<br>
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                      Interessante anche questo contributo<br>
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                                Fabrizio<br>
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                                Non inviato da IPhone<br>
                                <br>
                                "Life is what happens to you while
                                you're busy making other plans" - J.
                                Lennon<br>
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                                “If you think education is expensive,
                                try ignorance” - D. Bok
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                                <div><span>Life is like a game of cards.
                                    The hand you are dealt is
                                    determinism; the way you play it is
                                    free will - Jawaharlal Nehru</span></div>
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        Fabrizio<br>
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        Non inviato da IPhone<br>
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        "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other
        plans" - J. Lennon<br>
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        “If you think education is expensive, try ignorance” - D. Bok
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            is like a game of cards. The hand you are dealt is
            determinism; the way you play it is free will - Jawaharlal
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