<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi all,<div> I'm going to be representing Plone at a fairly informal local event, BathCamp who are running a CMS Smackdown:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://bathcamp.org/events/cms-smackdown/">http://bathcamp.org/events/cms-smackdown/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I've got 10 minutes to talk about 5 things I love about Plone and 5 things I hate. I'm up against 7 other CMSs. So I'm trying to think of my list of things. Many of the people at the event will generally be techies, so I won't be afraid to talk about some of the technical aspects. However the bit I'm struggling with is coming up with 5 things I hate ;) I'm hoping to mention how we are improving the things I hate</div><div><br></div><div>So my draft list so far:</div><div><br></div><div>5 Things I love about Plone:</div><div><br></div><div>- The Community (international events, people, etc)</div><div>- Buildout + Deployment (dev.cfg -> staging.cfg -> live.cfg, versioning eggs etc)</div><div>- The ZODB (pervasive data store… no need to think SQL etc)</div><div>- Diazo (Great way to theme sites + demo)</div><div>- Python [1]</div><div><br></div><div>5 Things I hate about Plone:</div><div><br></div><div>- Legacy (talk about ripping out stuff, Zope 4 etc)</div><div>- Documentation (talk about the swamp of old docs, but point out good new stuff eg. Developer Manual)</div><div>- Perception by Python developers (that is is old hat and boring: point out it does its job well and is mature)</div><div>- Everything in the catalog (talk about navigation using it etc. Point out move to parent pointers, use of Solr etc)</div><div>- Too easy to shoot yourself in the foot performance-wise (i.e., as ZODB is pervasive, you can accidentally load every object in the ZODB or mutate things you don't mean to).</div><div><br></div><div>Any thoughts on this list? Any other good viewpoints, ideas? Bearing in mind I have just two minutes per point!</div><div><br></div><div>-Matt</div><div><br></div><div>[1] Great quote from colleague: "When I used to program in Java I used to first think how to solve the problem, then I had to think how to code that in Java. With Python I think how to solve the problem, then just write it"</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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