<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I'd be tempted to make security a top 5 item.</div><div><br></div><div>At PSE we did some brainstorming as part of the PloneEdu web site sprint and came up with this (raw) list. The starred ones the ones we thought were most important.</div><div><br></div><div> Kim</div><div><br></div><div><h1 style="text-align: -webkit-auto; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-top: 24pt; direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-weight: bold; padding-bottom: 6pt; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 17px;">What Makes Plone Great</span></h1><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *Community</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *High security out of the box</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *education-focused “products” (modules, add-ons, extensions) (eg. FSD, timeslot)</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *intranets</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *improving your business processes</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *forms builder</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *free and open source</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *in-place editing</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> *accessibility</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> responsive / mobile-friendly</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> scaleability</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> file structure</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> accessible URLs</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> docs of various types</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> Plone user groups</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> accessibility compliance</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> modern technology framework</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> upgrade path</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> easy to theme</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> extendable</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> workflow</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> multilingual and global community</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> handles lots of content</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> publication workflows OOTB</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> built in search</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> fine grained permissions groups</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> auth integration</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> collections / reports / queries</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> robust</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> stable</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> installable product modules</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> zeo-enterprise scale OOTB</span></p><p style="direction: ltr; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "><span> conferences for edu</span></p><div style="font-family: Times; font-size: medium; -webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); -webkit-text-size-adjust: none; "><span><br></span></div><br>On May 28, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Matt Hamilton <<a href="mailto:matth@netsight.co.uk">matth@netsight.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi all,<div> I'm going to be representing Plone at a fairly informal local event, BathCamp who are running a CMS Smackdown:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://bathcamp.org/events/cms-smackdown/">http://bathcamp.org/events/cms-smackdown/</a></div><div><br></div><div>I've got 10 minutes to talk about 5 things I love about Plone and 5 things I hate. I'm up against 7 other CMSs. So I'm trying to think of my list of things. Many of the people at the event will generally be techies, so I won't be afraid to talk about some of the technical aspects. However the bit I'm struggling with is coming up with 5 things I hate ;) I'm hoping to mention how we are improving the things I hate</div><div><br></div><div>So my draft list so far:</div><div><br></div><div>5 Things I love about Plone:</div><div><br></div><div>- The Community (international events, people, etc)</div><div>- Buildout + Deployment (dev.cfg -> staging.cfg -> live.cfg, versioning eggs etc)</div><div>- The ZODB (pervasive data store… no need to think SQL etc)</div><div>- Diazo (Great way to theme sites + demo)</div><div>- Python [1]</div><div><br></div><div>5 Things I hate about Plone:</div><div><br></div><div>- Legacy (talk about ripping out stuff, Zope 4 etc)</div><div>- Documentation (talk about the swamp of old docs, but point out good new stuff eg. Developer Manual)</div><div>- Perception by Python developers (that is is old hat and boring: point out it does its job well and is mature)</div><div>- Everything in the catalog (talk about navigation using it etc. Point out move to parent pointers, use of Solr etc)</div><div>- Too easy to shoot yourself in the foot performance-wise (i.e., as ZODB is pervasive, you can accidentally load every object in the ZODB or mutate things you don't mean to).</div><div><br></div><div>Any thoughts on this list? Any other good viewpoints, ideas? Bearing in mind I have just two minutes per point!</div><div><br></div><div>-Matt</div><div><br></div><div>[1] Great quote from colleague: "When I used to program in Java I used to first think how to solve the problem, then I had to think how to code that in Java. With Python I think how to solve the problem, then just write it"</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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