<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Could it also be that Plone has been marketed as "Plone v1, v2, v3, v4" for 10 years and that has very little appeal?<div><br></div><div>As a marketing-driven company, Apple understood this phenomenon very well and, instead, rolled out "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow Leopard", "Lion"... unveiling each version as a totally new product. This allowed them to leverage totally different marketing campaigns and keep the public interested.<div><br></div><div>Can we orchestrate a grand new product launch for Plone 5 under a different marketing name (but keep the Plone name as the umbrella brand)?<div><div><div apple-content-edited="true"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><br>Gabrielle<br>-- <br>Six Feet Up, Inc. | Where sophisticated web projects thrive<br>Direct Line: +1 (317) 861-5948 x601<br>Email: <a href="mailto:gabrielle@sixfeetup.com">gabrielle@sixfeetup.com</a><br>Try Plone 4 Today at: <a href="http://plone4demo.com">http://plone4demo.com</a></div></span>
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<br><div><div>On May 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.] wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>+1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing committee and/or Board?<br><br>On 5/22/12 2:03 PM, Armin Stroß-Radschinski wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer support can bring up! We need such successful people talk more about their involvement.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event (at least look like!)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-) waving! We were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Armin<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Am 22.05.2012 um 19:23 schrieb Maurizio Delmonte:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton <<a href="mailto:matth@netsight.co.uk">matth@netsight.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares "professional content management with Python in 2012"..<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they were short in proposals ;)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence at Europython (try to search for it here <a href="https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/">https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/</a> and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech unrelated and the other from me..)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try to attract devs using other channels, universities being a good alternative to me.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Let's inspire more people to do this!<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Maurizio<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">-- <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Maurizio Delmonte - [<a href="mailto:maurizio.delmonte@abstract.it">maurizio.delmonte@abstract.it</a>]<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Abstract Open Solutions [<a href="http://www.abstract.it">http://www.abstract.it</a>] - Tel: +39 081 06 08 213<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Join me at EuroPython [<a href="http://goo.gl/mmV25">http://goo.gl/mmV25</a>]<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.it.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.it.html</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ai sensi del d.lgs. 196 del 30 giugno 2003, recante disposizioni per la tutela delle persone e di altri soggetti rispetto al trattamento dei dati personali, si precisa che questa email è inviata unicamente ai destinatari sopra esposti, con espressa diffida di leggerla, copiarla, diffonderla ed usarla senza autorizzazione. 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