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From dtlenergy at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 17:09:09 2012 From: dtlenergy at gmail.com (dtlenergy) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:09:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Evangelism] Looking for talking points comparing Plone vs. Wordpress In-Reply-To: <50893DB4.1030708@verizon.net> References: <50893DB4.1030708@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1355245749623-7561832.post@n2.nabble.com> One thing I would say in favour of Wordpress is that more people know how to program in PHP and use MySql than know Python. -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Looking-for-talking-points-comparing-Plone-vs-Wordpress-tp7560624p7561832.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From steve at dcn.org Tue Dec 11 17:28:33 2012 From: steve at dcn.org (Steve McMahon) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 09:28:33 -0800 Subject: [Evangelism] Looking for talking points comparing Plone vs. Wordpress In-Reply-To: <1355245749623-7561832.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <50893DB4.1030708@verizon.net> <1355245749623-7561832.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: A point to keep in mind about the "more people know PHP" point. A few years ago, I was at a symposium for advocacy organizations, and the lead Drupal speaker made just that point (PHP coders are cheap and plentiful!). However, at a Drupal-specific panel later in the day, he said that if you needed customization, you should never hire anyone with less than three years full-time programming with Drupal. He termed PHP experience outside Drupal "worthless" since they wouldn't know the Drupal way, and wouldn't be able to write safe code. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:09 AM, dtlenergy wrote: > One thing I would say in favour of Wordpress is that more people know how > to > program in PHP and use MySql than know > Python. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Looking-for-talking-points-comparing-Plone-vs-Wordpress-tp7560624p7561832.html > Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism at lists.plone.org > https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-evangelism > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.bain at alteroo.com Tue Dec 11 17:32:49 2012 From: david.bain at alteroo.com (David Bain) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:32:49 -0500 Subject: [Evangelism] Looking for talking points comparing Plone vs. Wordpress In-Reply-To: <1355245749623-7561832.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <50893DB4.1030708@verizon.net> <1355245749623-7561832.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'm fresh from teaching wordpress in a web management course, I think this was a good experience as it helped me to get some hands on with the system. The PHP vs Python concern is less of a talking point if you're dealing with site administrators and designers who only know CSS and HTML. The issue then becomes how easy it is to customize a theme using the skillset that you already have, don't underestimate how confusing it is to see something like this in a header.php file: > <?php echo get_bloginfo('name'); ?> <?php wp_title(); ?> '; print '@import "'.get_template_directory_uri().'/css/reset.css";'; print '@import "'.get_template_directory_uri().'/css/screen.php";'; print ''; ?> > For comparison, I would show the code for an html template in Plone (which is basically just html) and put that next to the code for a wordpress theme on a single slide. I'd argue that, while installation and setup is pretty trivial with wordpress, customization is becoming trickier. I gauge this by how hard it is to teach to non-programmers. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 12:09 PM, dtlenergy wrote: > One thing I would say in favour of Wordpress is that more people know how to > program in PHP and use MySql than know > Python. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Looking-for-talking-points-comparing-Plone-vs-Wordpress-tp7560624p7561832.html > Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism at lists.plone.org > https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-evangelism -- --- The best part about UDP jokes is that nobody cares if you get them. From djay at pretaweb.com Tue Dec 11 19:31:24 2012 From: djay at pretaweb.com (Dylan Jay) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:31:24 +1100 Subject: [Evangelism] Looking for talking points comparing Plone vs. Wordpress In-Reply-To: References: <50893DB4.1030708@verizon.net> <1355245749623-7561832.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5087477076838018505@unknownmsgid> I have a talk last week at a CMS expo. The Drupal guy was boasting Drupal is now so easy he can teach someone in a month. In my talk I live demoed diazo by downloading the expo site and turned started turning into a theme. You can get someone doing diazo in a day. And that gets you a long way with plone. Dylan Jay Technical solution manager PretaWeb 99552830 On 12/12/2012, at 4:29 AM, Steve McMahon wrote: A point to keep in mind about the "more people know PHP" point. A few years ago, I was at a symposium for advocacy organizations, and the lead Drupal speaker made just that point (PHP coders are cheap and plentiful!). However, at a Drupal-specific panel later in the day, he said that if you needed customization, you should never hire anyone with less than three years full-time programming with Drupal. He termed PHP experience outside Drupal "worthless" since they wouldn't know the Drupal way, and wouldn't be able to write safe code. On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 9:09 AM, dtlenergy wrote: > One thing I would say in favour of Wordpress is that more people know how > to > program in PHP and use MySql than know > Python. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Looking-for-talking-points-comparing-Plone-vs-Wordpress-tp7560624p7561832.html > Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism at lists.plone.org > https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-evangelism > _______________________________________________ Evangelism mailing list Evangelism at lists.plone.org https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-evangelism -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djay at pretaweb.com Wed Dec 12 22:54:08 2012 From: djay at pretaweb.com (Dylan Jay) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 09:54:08 +1100 Subject: [Evangelism] Page based CMS Message-ID: <-5448413827200094915@unknownmsgid> I only bring this up as its the second time I've heard this term in a week. Last week a Drupal guy asked me if plone was a page based CMS. This might be an marketing angle competitors use going forward. *CMSWire.com (@cmswire )* 13/12/12 3:55 AM Page Based Web CMS - Good, Bad or Irrelevant? #cxm smg.io/VAxRdo Download the official Twitter app here Dylan Jay Technical solution manager PretaWeb 99552830 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com Wed Dec 12 23:46:18 2012 From: ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com (ctxlken) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 15:46:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Evangelism] Page based CMS In-Reply-To: <-5448413827200094915@unknownmsgid> References: <-5448413827200094915@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <50C91739.4060508@contextualcorp.com> When the 'Drupal guy' asked, it might have been more a matter of him getting a feel for whether Plone is a 'real CMS' that handles structured content types with custom metadata well, or is just more of a 'basic web publishing' tool, as Wordpress at least started out as, and some other tools continue to be (have a main 'Page' content type, folders, files, images, but not really much in the way of custom types that each have different properties beyond the typical Dublin Core fields (Title, Desc, Subject, Creation/Eff/Eff dates, etc.) That would have been my impression, anyhow. And coming from that angle, IMHO, I don't think it's a real good marketing strategy for Plone to be touted as 'page-based'. That would make it sound simple, yet less capable to me (e.g., Wordpress, et al.) -Ken On 12/12/12 4:54 PM, Dylan Jay [via Plone] wrote: > I only bring this up as its the second time I've heard this term in a > week. Last week a Drupal guy asked me if plone was a page based CMS. > This might be an marketing angle competitors use going forward. > > *CMSWire.com (@cmswire > )* > 13/12/12 3:55 AM > Page Based Web CMS - Good, Bad or Irrelevant? #cxm > smg.io/VAxRdo > > > > Download the official Twitter app here > > > > Dylan Jay > Technical solution manager > PretaWeb 99552830 > > _______________________________________________ > Evangelism mailing list > [hidden email] > https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-evangelism > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the > discussion below: > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Page-based-CMS-tp7561882.html > To start a new topic under Evangelism, email > ml-node+s293351n293364h72 at n2.nabble.com > To unsubscribe from Evangelism, click here > . > NAML > > -- Ken Wasetis President & CMS Solution Architect Contextual Corp. office: 847-356-3027 ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com -- View this message in context: http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Page-based-CMS-tp7561882p7561883.html Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From roger at erens-krekels.net Thu Dec 13 01:06:21 2012 From: roger at erens-krekels.net (Roger Erens) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:06:21 +0100 Subject: [Evangelism] Page based CMS In-Reply-To: <50C91739.4060508@contextualcorp.com> References: <-5448413827200094915@unknownmsgid> <50C91739.4060508@contextualcorp.com> Message-ID: Another possible interpretation might be a 'single-paged website' that handles navigation and everything else via ajax-calls, staying on the same URL. On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:46 AM, ctxlken wrote: > When the 'Drupal guy' asked, it might have been more a matter of him > getting a feel for whether Plone is a 'real CMS' that handles structured > content types with custom metadata well, or is just more of a 'basic web > publishing' tool, as Wordpress at least started out as, and some other > tools continue to be (have a main 'Page' content type, folders, files, > images, but not really much in the way of custom types that each have > different properties beyond the typical Dublin Core fields (Title, Desc, > Subject, Creation/Eff/Eff dates, etc.) > > That would have been my impression, anyhow. And coming from that angle, > IMHO, I don't think it's a real good marketing strategy for Plone to be > touted as 'page-based'. That would make it sound simple, yet less > capable to me (e.g., Wordpress, et al.) > > -Ken > > > On 12/12/12 4:54 PM, Dylan Jay [via Plone] wrote: > > I only bring this up as its the second time I've heard this term in a > > week. Last week a Drupal guy asked me if plone was a page based CMS. > > This might be an marketing angle competitors use going forward. > > > > *CMSWire.com (@cmswire > > )* > > 13/12/12 3:55 AM > > Page Based Web CMS - Good, Bad or Irrelevant? #cxm > > smg.io/VAxRdo > > > > > > > > Download the official Twitter app here > > > > > > > > Dylan Jay > > Technical solution manager > > PretaWeb 99552830 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Evangelism mailing list > > [hidden email] > > https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-evangelism > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the > > discussion below: > > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Page-based-CMS-tp7561882.html > > To start a new topic under Evangelism, email > > ml-node+s293351n293364h72 at n2.nabble.com > > To unsubscribe from Evangelism, click here > > < > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&node=293364&code=a2VuLndhc2V0aXNAY29udGV4dHVhbGNvcnAuY29tfDI5MzM2NHw5MTE0MjkxNDI= > >. > > NAML > > < > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.naml&base=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespace&breadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml > > > > > > -- > Ken Wasetis > > President & CMS Solution Architect > Contextual Corp. > office: 847-356-3027 > ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://plone.293351.n2.nabble.com/Page-based-CMS-tp7561882p7561883.html > Sent from the Evangelism mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > _______________________________________________ > Evangelism mailing list > Evangelism at lists.plone.org > https://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plone-evangelism > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maurizio.delmonte at abstract.it Wed Dec 19 08:41:10 2012 From: maurizio.delmonte at abstract.it (Maurizio Delmonte) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:41:10 +0100 Subject: [Evangelism] Page based CMS In-Reply-To: <50C91739.4060508@contextualcorp.com> References: <-5448413827200094915@unknownmsgid> <50C91739.4060508@contextualcorp.com> Message-ID: actually, this """ [START] as a page based CMS, [GROW] to *your* content types CMS be [IMPRESS]ed by what you can get from Plone """ is already the motor we have for plone.com as it is now.. make sense to you? :) my2c, Maurizio On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:46 AM, ctxlken wrote: > When the 'Drupal guy' asked, it might have been more a matter of him > getting a feel for whether Plone is a 'real CMS' that handles structured > content types with custom metadata well, or is just more of a 'basic web > publishing' tool, as Wordpress at least started out as, and some other > tools continue to be (have a main 'Page' content type, folders, files, > images, but not really much in the way of custom types that each have > different properties beyond the typical Dublin Core fields (Title, Desc, > Subject, Creation/Eff/Eff dates, etc.) > > That would have been my impression, anyhow. And coming from that angle, > IMHO, I don't think it's a real good marketing strategy for Plone to be > touted as 'page-based'. That would make it sound simple, yet less > capable to me (e.g., Wordpress, et al.) > > -Ken > > > On 12/12/12 4:54 PM, Dylan Jay [via Plone] wrote: > > I only bring this up as its the second time I've heard this term in a > > week. Last week a Drupal guy asked me if plone was a page based CMS. > > This might be an marketing angle competitors use going forward. > > > > *CMSWire.com (@cmswire > > )* > > 13/12/12 3:55 AM > > Page Based Web CMS - Good, Bad or Irrelevant? #cxm > > smg.io/VAxRdo > > > > > -- Maurizio Delmonte - [maurizio.delmonte at abstract.it] Abstract Open Solutions [http://www.abstract.it] - Tel: +39 081 06 08 213 *Some news from the PloneConf!* [http://goo.gl/gtXHQ] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.it.html Ai sensi del d.lgs. 196 del 30 giugno 2003, recante disposizioni per la tutela delle persone e di altri soggetti rispetto al trattamento dei dati personali, si precisa che questa email ? inviata unicamente ai destinatari sopra esposti, con espressa diffida di leggerla, copiarla, diffonderla ed usarla senza autorizzazione. 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